The Breakdown · Episode 801 · October 9, 2026 · 4h 34m

AI, Digital Gold, Bitcoin, Ledger Exploit, and Political Narratives

David Gokhshtein hosts The Breakdown #801, discussing a wide range of topics from AI's impact on finance to the latest crypto market events. Michael Saylor highlights AI's role in digital credit and IPOs, asserting that AI will lead to an age of empowerment and abundance. Charles Hoskinson details Cardano's "Midnight" privacy solution and its integration with Bitcoin DeFi. Michael Novogratz and other guests debate the nature of greed in gold acquisition versus wealth preservation. The conversation shifts to the alleged Ledger exploit, with David emphasizing the importance of buying hardware wallets directly from manufacturers. He also criticizes "pump fun" tokens for extracting value from retail investors. The show touches on political narratives, particularly regarding Trump and the upcoming elections, and the evolving role of AI in society. David concludes that while the crypto market faces challenges like low liquidity and speculative frenzies, he remains bullish on its long-term potential, especially for digital assets like Bitcoin.

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Key points

  • Michael Saylor believes AI is crucial for financial innovation, enabling new digital credit and IPOs, leading to an age of empowerment.
  • Charles Hoskinson discusses Cardano's "Midnight" privacy solution, aiming to integrate with Bitcoin DeFi for enhanced security and usability.
  • The hosts and guests debate whether acquiring gold is driven by greed or a desire for wealth preservation, contrasting it with digital assets.
  • David Gokhshtein strongly advises against buying hardware wallets from third-party resellers due to security risks, following reports of an alleged Ledger exploit.
  • He criticizes "pump fun" tokens and launchpads for extracting significant value from retail investors through speculative frenzies.
  • The discussion covers political narratives, including Trump's potential 2028 run and the impact of populist leaders in Europe.
  • David expresses long-term bullishness on Bitcoin and digital gold, believing they will outperform traditional assets due to their technological advantages.
  • The show highlights the increasing influence of AI and super-intelligence, suggesting that current AI capabilities are just the beginning.

In their words

“I couldn't have done any of it without AI. If we had not had AI, we would be $8 billion less.” 0:11:00
“Like, aren't there like 100 million problems the human race has to solve that we, that you're like, well, you're going to need a thousand people with PhDs to solve that?” 0:44:45
“I'm very bullish. The world's going to be a much better place and, and we're going to see an age of empowerment and abundance because of digital technology.” 1:00:20
“Now I don't want to lose it. I want to store it so I can use it later. I don't want to blow it all right now. I want to hold on to it.” 1:42:59
“So we're actually working on this program, our Bitcoin DeFi setup, what we call it, the circle.” 2:45:15

Chapters

  1. 0:00:00AI's Impact on Finance
  2. 0:30:50Digital Gold vs. Physical Gold
  3. 1:11:45The Greed Debate
  4. 1:57:30Bitcoin and AI's Future
  5. 2:18:50Cardano's Midnight Privacy
  6. 2:50:00Bitcoin DeFi and Taproot
  7. 3:09:50Yield Bearing Instruments
  8. 3:22:00Bitcoin User Perspective
  9. 3:38:40Bitcoin vs. Fiat Currency
  10. 3:51:50Inflation Proof Money
  11. 4:08:00The Importance of Sound Money
  12. 4:25:00Real Estate vs. Bitcoin
  13. 4:39:00Bitcoin Maximalists
  14. 4:46:00The Paradox of Knowledge
  15. 4:54:00Privacy in Crypto
  16. 5:03:00]

Transcript

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[Part 1 of 11] [David] [00:00] We've issued $8 billion worth of digital credit this year, and the most successful IPO of the year was stretch, it's STRC, it was $2 and a half billion. I couldn't have done any of it without AI. If if we had not had AI, we would be $8 billion less. We had five IPOs, none of them would have happened because I used the AI to design the securities and solve all the tax problems and all the securities law issues. You know, so I like I'm a big believer in using AI to design new things. And I look, I'm just I I focus upon digital credit and security, but there's someone there thinking about how to make the car drive and cure cancer and like like aren't there like 100 million problems the human race has to solve that we that you're like, well, you're going to need a thousand people with PhD to solve that. Well, guess what? Now every 16-year-old has a thousand PhDs at their fingertips and so I'm very bullish. The world's going to be a much better place and and we're going to see an age of empowerment and abundance because of digital technology. [Caller] [01:12] People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. Not really. I mean, people who buy gold are trying to preserve. people are greedy. centuries. We have centuries of people being greedy to go ahead and acquire gold. [David] [01:22] Well, no, well, you're talking about to acquire wealth. Yes, people are greedy in that they want they want more things and there's nothing wrong with that. But when they're converting what they've earned into gold, that's not the greed part. That's the preservation part. I I I've I've earned all this money because I was greedy. Now I don't want to lose it. I want to store it so I can use it later. I don't want to blow it all right now. I want to hold on to it. And, you know, gold is a way to do that. You can't really do that in a fiat currency that's just being printed, you know, into oblivion. So, uh, but but but, you know, the greed is in the speculative frenzy that accompanies Bitcoin. They tell me that I'm the reason they own Bitcoin because they listened to me years ago about economics, about sound money and and and the Fed and inflation. And I'm the one that got them. [Caller] [01:58] Plus there's a lot of new technology in Midnight that's going to make the use of Cardano safer. Like Midnight passport will be the fastest, safest and easiest way to use Cardano. So, we gain all the usability advantages. Plus I argue Midnight is an essential component for Bitcoin. Bitcoin D5. When you look at that side of it, you're like, okay, Bitcoin users, they want privacy. So, Cardano could do a lot of the heavy lifting on the programming side, but what if the private coordination layer is just all that? So, we're actually working on this program, our Bitcoin D5 setup, where we call it the the circle. So, you start with Bitcoin and tap root. I'm going to put 50 Bitcoins in my own money and so that's crypto. That's worth. Then you start with tap root and uh Bitcoin. You lend it to a stable coin. So, that'll occur on Cardano through a specialized transaction through the poker bridge. And then that stable coin would then be deployed into a yield bearing instrument. And then as you make yield, the yield is converted to Bitcoin and then it sets your capital. And then Midnight coordinates all of it with privacy. So, you you have like all three networks working together, and you have this circle. And then from the Bitcoin user's perspective, you just give them a button. Make money. Click the button. And then it locks their Bitcoin. They just start generating a yield. The security actually anchors the tap root on the Bitcoin network. So, it meets my three rules that I have for Bitcoin D5. One, there's only Bitcoin. No other token. [David] [03:38] Bitcoin, Litecoin is better money than than fiat, obviously. It's also better money than gold. At least I believe it's the best form of money that um humans have ever come across. Right? Money being a good thing that is um it's inflation proof, right? No one, no single person, company or or government can print more money, right? Can print more money and inflate away the money you're holding, uh, you're storing, right? That's kind of one of the key things about money is if you work hard and you make money, you don't want that money to kind of disappear over time, not from your own doing. Right? So that's that's key and Bitcoin, Litecoin and uh most cryptocurrencies, um, is able to to do that. [Caller] [04:25] I could have the argument that real estate's better than Bitcoin. For a number of reasons, by the way, for a number of reasons. Um, your audience will probably disagree because they're probably a bunch of, you know, Bitcoin maximalists that don't have as much Bitcoin as the real estate guy. By the way. [David] [04:42] No, I I'll tell you right now, hold on one second. See, that's the funny thing, dude. That me and my brother were talking about this yesterday. You know, the guys that know the most seem to have the least. [Caller] [04:54] 100%. That that I can probably agree with you on. It should be a bigger issue within the crypto system and the ecosystem. What do you think? [David] [05:03] I think it will be. I think privacy is going to be the the new if you want to in my view, and this is what I'm tasking the investment professionals at Nailstrom to sort of figure out. I think that the stand out shitcoin or, you know, few shitcoins of 2026 to 2028 will be related some way shape or form to privacy. We already saw the, you know, amazing move of Zcash over the last few months. Yes, it's down 50% from the 780 high, but I think again, my goal is, you know, my mental model is 10 to 20% of the value of Bitcoin. That's Zcash. Um and so, so much higher than where it is today. But, you know, taking away Zcash, what is the token project or protocol that's going to utilize some privacy technology, I'll be something related to ZK or knowledge proofs, to do something whether that's quantum resistant, you know, the AI overlords can't deanonymize your data or, you know, see what we're doing, whatever it is, right? These are the things that we're latently afraid of of of what bad things that could happen with this proliferation of Big Tech, Big government. [Caller] [06:12] Trump getting elected, knowing that we share friends in the White House for all the populist parties of Europe who are under attack. Every single populist leader, if you look at the leaders, and my last documentary was called Silence. I got 18 months in prison for my last documentary. The reason I aired it was because the documentary was so bigger than me. It's exactly what they're doing. Lawfare has been waged against if you go through, I'll pick anyone. Pick her builders, the leader that the Dutch party. Hit Marine Le Pen. Any politician in Europe, yeah? Anyone, pick anyone who has stood up and tried to speak against immigration, and you will see a history. Matteo Salvini, I was with him two days ago, the deputy Prime Minister of of Italy was prosecuted in 2020. They said he because he stopped the boat. He was prosecuted in 2021. He was in charge of a crime. The process is the punishment. Every political leader who's tried to step up was charged. You saw they done to Bannon, you saw they done to Stone. You saw they trying to do to Trump. That's happening across the board. They're political of their totalitarian state. But I think it's probably because you elected Trump on very often is about the future. More is not because we're not in charge. We're going to assimilate the public already. Public already. [David] [07:30] So the other thing about it is there's a lot of political power that's been, you know, it's going to have a mutual attack in this 2022 election. Certain races that were it's absolutely going to be lost are still in play because Christian coming in and it keeps things like the Cordiac alive, which has been changed a lot. I've had many conversations to try to get it into a better shape and hopefully September 15th will actually be able to get it up and why. I have a lot of problems with here, but they actually did. There's over 300 pages of adjustments. I don't think anybody realizes how much work's gone into it. I talked to Jared and I said, is there anything that's terrible? He said, you know, we worked on this three times longer than Obama worked on this. And that was our response to 2008 financial crisis. [Caller] [08:15] This is politics and we need to get crypto and our industry out of these partisan debates, out of these partisan issues. It's really not healthy to treat any technology as some kind of political pawn. This isn't about Republican, this isn't about Democrat. This is about freedom. This is about giving people access to their assets online. It's about being able to transact globally without an intermediary. It's about the economy of innovation. It's about future finance. This isn't about Red versus Blue. We need to get out of that. They've been very negative on Bitcoin and crypto. So even public statements calling it rat poison 2.0 or pet rocks or, you know, name your name your funny name. Now all these same institutions have now understood that this is not a fad. This is here to stay and oh, we need to get a piece of the pie as well because that's what they're doing. [David] [09:10] If I had a genie and three wishes and I could make gold better, my first wish would be shrink the supply to 21 million coins and make it illegal to make any more. And my second wish was make it invisible and teleportable and indestructible. And let me carry as much gold, you know, in my pocket as I possibly can. And my third wish would be make it programmable, so a billion AIs can trip teleport it and transform it a million times a minute, so that I can put it on a, you know, a billion computers and and have it have it get traded back and forth 37,000 times while I'm sleeping, right? And I would think digital gold as I just described it, it's got to be better and more valuable than physical gold and especially in the 21st century when you're looking at 10 billion computers and 10 billion AIs and 10 billion mobile devices and, you know, you never teleporting an ounce of gold on an iPhone. So, I just think it's digital gold. It's got to be 10x to 100x better than gold. [David] [10:31] What first got you excited about blockchains? Think about it. Oh, wait. I bet it wasn't multi-million dollar hacks, exposed data, or finding somewhere safe to store your seed phrase. Was it? Maybe it was the idea of decentralizing a broken financial system. Maybe it was imagining a world where people own their own data and get to share in the value it creates. Or maybe it was the promise of a fundamentally better way of connecting, communicating, and transacting. The next phase of the internet that empowers us instead of exploiting us. So, why hasn't it happened yet? Why are we still living with the same broken system that blockchains promised to fix? It's because blockchains can't keep a secret. Enabling open transparent systems was only the first half of the challenge. For blockchains to really change the world, they also have to be able to protect our sensitive data when it matters. And that's why we built Midnight to bring down the final barrier to mass adoption and unlock the full potential of the decentralized web. Let's build the internet we deserve. Together. [David] [11:51] Ladies and gentlemen, we all know this in crypto, ownership matters. That's why Cake Wallet. Cake Wallet gives you full control of your digital assets, all in one easy to use application. You can store Bitcoin, Litecoin, Zcash, Monero, and many more with just one secure backup. Swap between coins in seconds, no copying addresses, no complicated steps, and even includes Bitcoin Lightning for faster payments. And with Cake Wallet built in, you can use crypto in real life through debit cards or gift cards. Simple, secure, self-custody. Download Cake Wallet and take control of your crypto. [David] [12:34] This is Houston. T minus 1 minute until full data blackout. All eyes are on you. Breaking news, there's an astronaut conducting an emergency repair on a global communication satellite that could go dark at any moment. We have a second angle on this. Is that guy on Fomo? Oh, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, let's get back to it, everybody. Breaking news, there's an astronaut conducting an emergency repair on a global communication satellite that could go dark at any moment. Opportunity knocks. It's simply this. Every position you take is a position you choose to make money. This just in. According to the astronaut's Fomo account, highest in the room, the satellite has been restored. Yes. For now, the crisis appears to be over. Satellite's up and running. Positions looking good, too. [David] [14:19] There we go. United States of America representing. Social optimism does not work. Digital assets is a better to move money at the speed of light. People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I am here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. I am the modern day Tony Stark. [David] [14:48] Welcome to the breakdown. Episode 801. 801. We're past 800. We're in the 800 bracket, man. 800 episodes plus of the breakdown. Want to thank everybody who is tuning in. If you're going to listen to this on Apple podcast or Spotify, I heart radio and Amazon Music. Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys tuning into those uh podcast uh streaming platforms and listening to the breakdown. Also, shout out to everybody tuning in from TikTok, YouTube. Obviously, YouTube is the main hub. Uh but shout out to everybody who's tuning in from other streaming platforms and that is TikTok. I said YouTube already. Shout out to X formerly known as Twitter. What is it? Kick. We got Kick. The all verified channels, okay? All verified channels. So, thank you for tuning in. And thank you for replaying. That's the biggest thing. A lot of you guys get up from the other side of the world in the morning and you tune into the show and I appreciate that. Thank you so much. All right, show sponsored by and by the way, link LinkedIn. All right, LinkedIn. I got some former co-workers on there. I've seen you guys. You're lurking, I see you. That's the good thing about LinkedIn. It shows you if like somebody visited the page. I see you, homie. Anyway, Midnight is the sponsor of the show, the title sponsor of the show is Midnight. Uh look, I've been how many tweets have I made about Midnight dominating in the privacy sector? And they're killing it out in token. Nothing but good things are being said. Charles is on one on the timeline. He's taking it to Vitalik. Things to talk about today, obviously. Midnight City, for those who don't know, now you know. Sign up for Midnight City. Yes, you're going to have to wait, but it is worth the wait. Polymarket is the official prediction market sponsor of the breakdown. We'll look into that later on today. We'll see where the stats are now. Where where are the percentages now? We'll talk about the the debate last night. We'll talk about that also. Cake Wallet, Cake Wallet is the official wallet sponsor of this show. One of the most secure wallets that we have in this industry. If you want to hold your Bitcoin, Litecoin, Zcash, Monero, you go ahead and hold it on Cake Wallet. Also, if you have a phone laying around and it's and you want to factory reset that son of a gun and download Cupcake, do that because what are we hearing now? Something happened with Ledger? And we'll get into that also. I'm telling you, man, I I I don't know what to say. I I don't know what to say anymore. I don't know what to say. It's almost as like that I mean, we've seen cold car you know what? I'll get into it later. Fomo, Fomo.family. Check out all your favorite traders on there, trading in 4K, writing a thesis on why they're going into particular assets. That's right. Fomo.family. Different than the other thing over there trying to be a social fi platform. Which all it's doing is draining. Draining, what was it? $130 million. Nothing went past $5 million in terms of market cap. Nothing. And that is the same thing for this entire space with all the with all the memes that are coming off these launch pads. Nothing is going past three to five million. Nothing. What okay, I don't want to say nothing. One out of the blue. But that's it. Everything is like 500k, 600k, that's it. The liquidity's not here, but the platforms, the launch pads are not making it any better. They're not. It's a Fortnite game, I'm telling you. And you got all these devs that are bundling up things, that are sending things out to people and they're trying to they are really really causing havoc. Really. Today's show at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Santa Time, we have Hunter Biden coming on. We'll talk to Hunter Biden about laptop, obviously, came out with laptop. We'll we'll we'll get into that stuff. We'll maybe talk about the midterms and politics. We'll see where we go with that. We got David Polla coming on at 12:45 p.m. We'll talk about the midterms as well and politics. Crypto Politics AI. I'm telling you, man, AI, the more, the more you get into AI, or excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, President. I meant super intelligence. The more you get into it, the more you understand that it's not at, it's it's not really at its capabilities at all. This thing is not even like super intelligence has not even started. What we have here right now is our AI agents hypothetically speaking that have a 300 a 300 IQ out here doing things. You imagine when they really push out AGI and all the never mind. We'll talk about it later. Anyway, we'll recap the week. We'll recap the week. What a week. What a week, man. Bitcoin going up and down. Bitcoin cannot get over 87k. 87k resistance hardcore, people selling. And that's good. People are supposed to take profits. People are supposed to take profits. And by the way, somebody said something about my hair. Yes. I got a haircut today. I feel lighter. I feel lighter on my feet. I feel lighter. Finally. Finally. Finally. Was able to get in early today. Sit down at the barber shop. And just chill and relax. They're like, why why are you here so early? I said, I got to get my cut. Because I I know I know myself. If I would have came there later, I would have been waiting in line. Anyway, Potentially. Potentially there has been another exploit. Potentially. And let me go ahead and ring this up right now. Potentially there has been another exploit. And this sucks again. It sucks for the space. It really does. Let's go ahead and look at it. Again, right now it's all hearsay, but let's bring it up right now. And let's look this over. Coin Bureau is reporting this, by the way. And I'm going to read two statements, though. Coin Bureau reported, let let's read this all together. Because I I ran Let's read it. When I'm going to jump to conclusions. That's why I want to read this for the from the official accounts and all that good stuff. So let's let's go right to it. Let's go right to it. Let me just bring this up here real quick. Because Ledger came out with their own statement. So, Coin Bureau comes out with alarming. Ledger is reportedly hit by a major exploit with allegedly lose allegedly lose a losses reaching $86 million. So, alleged losses reaching $86 million. Hundreds of users have reportedly had their entire crypto holdings drained with total losses approaching 100 million. A ledger wide exploit has not yet been confirmed. So, everybody ran with this. And then we got a community note. This is not a major Ledger exploit. People bought their hardware device from a third party and got scammed. Official statement from Ledger here. And let's go down to the official statement. Ledger is investigating reports of loss of funds from users in Southeast Asia who purchased products from a reseller named Crypto. Yo, listen, hold on one second. Y'all are crazy. First of all, you don't go and purchase any cold storage equipment from a third party. You don't go on Amazon and buy a refurbished cold storage product. You don't buy a second-hand cold storage. Are you are do you guys just hate money? Do you guys hate money? If the shit ain't wrapped, you don't touch it. And that that comment can go many ways. That comment can absolutely go many ways. That comment can absolutely go in many directions. I wonder if uh by the way, I wonder if TikTok goes ahead and restricts this show today with Hunter Biden on it. I would think they want to play it. I don't know. Maybe they're not starving for content. Maybe TikTok is just not starving for content. Anyway, let's go ahead and continue to look at this. Let's continue to look. Let me let where is it? There you go. CZ even came out and said, beware if you use a Ledger hardware uh hardware wallet, especially if you bought one recently. Based on information so far, it seems to be localized to a supply chain attack with one vendor. Again,

[Part 2 of 11] [David] [00:02] Why would you buy? Why would you buy third party? If you're not buying it from the goddamn ledger store, you're crazy. You're absolutely insane. Insanity is absolute insanity. They're like, we've been here for way too long. Way too long. To have to have these type of things happen. Can you imagine the guy selling this shit has made off with millions of dollars? Millions of dollars because people are lazy. I I keep saying this, man, and people get offended, but people are really lazy. Absolutely lazy. Nobody would be this lazy with fiat money. But for some reason, crypto, which is also Bitcoin, valuable. More valuable than the dollar. And people are just like, yo, it's okay, I got it. I'll get to it. You wouldn't be like that with cash. You wouldn't be talking about, I'll get to it. This is crazy, man. I got to say this is absolutely crazy. And let's jump into something else here also, man. I want to jump into this real quick. Let's jump into Let's jump into pump fund and the news that has come out with this. And I and I do agree with this. I've had months to sit back and to not even months. You could say I've had a while to sit back and look at pump fund. I was respectfully, respectfully, I wasn't really a a big fan in the beginning. You know how I feel about launch pads. The white whale says, we've all seen the regular stats about how bad pump fund tokens are. About how the vast majority of traders lose money. Hold on, there was a better one. Before we get into this, there was a better one. It was like breaking everything down. This is the one that I was interested in. Bandeau put this out. The top 25 pump fund deployers. I want you to understand this. I want you to see this. I want you to see this for a second. The top 25 pump fund deployers launched 170,000 tokens, extracted 128 million from the trenches, produced only six tokens with a $20 million market cap. That's $128 million extracted just by 25 devs. This is why unless you're launching like, I got to say, unless you're launching yourself, you cannot trust anything. All this stuff is set up to destroy people and extract. Bottom line. The stats are here and that's just a sample. That's a little sample of what has happened. You go ahead and gather up everything and you will see that. There are way more than 25 pump fund deployers. Way more than 170K in terms of tokens deployed, and absolutely no doubt more than $128 million extracted from the trenches. And all these things are sent to people bundled up to go ahead and destroy. It's seek and destroy. And they make out and they make out with all the money. They make out with all the money and you don't even know who they are. We'll get more into this later on in the show today. We have Landy here for 5, 10 minutes. We'll bring him on to talk about the markets. At 12:45, we have David Poller coming on. We'll talk about midterms and then we have obviously at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, we have We have Hunter Biden coming on and we'll have a good conversation. These are I I don't do I got you moments. So if anybody's anticipating me to go ahead and talk down to Hunter. I I see a lot of that bullshit being pushed out there on social media. I'm I I have conversations. I ask real questions, conversations. Let's have a chat and we'll move on and We can even have a debate about things, but we'll do it in an adult-like fashion. Let's go ahead and bring me back onto the screen because I'm sexy as hell. And then let's bring Landy in here like a 5, 10 minutes to go ahead and talk about the markets. Landy, what's going on? [Guest: Landy] [05:37] Well, good morning from the West Coast, David. Um, just keeping an eye on what's going on, right? You know, we've uh, you and I previously talked about earlier this week, um, a potential move down. I told you where I was looking for some of the majors and we have now seen that play out. So Bitcoin, I was looking for any kind of break below the monthly at 82 and a half to 83, uh, to head towards 80 to 813. We got that move and now we're trading back above the monthly. And we're we did the same across many of the majors in the crypto space. Um, one of the big things that uh, that I would be aware of is that, you know, we're we're looking to see if this turns into, um, something larger in terms of a trend. Like, you know, if it turns from a daily into a weekly trend, then that's probably the, you know, larger pullback that we're looking for. Um, if not, you know, the upside still remains open, especially when, you know, Bitcoin and some of these majors are trading, uh, above their big monthly breakout levels. Um, so we still have to entertain that. It's kind of hurry up and wait still. We've hit some local downside targets and then it's right back into the range. So, it's just a matter of do we get any kind of continuation below the monthly and specifically for Bitcoin below 80,000, um, then we're probably looking at a little bit of a larger local correction. Maybe it turns into a long form correction on like the weeklies. But for the moment, nice buyback. It is a Friday. We're moving into a lower liquidity weekend. So, it's just a matter of, you know, paying pretty close attention to where the weeklies close. Um, and if the bulls can hold up above some of these monthly levels, I wouldn't rule out further upside. Um, not unless I see closes for like Bitcoin below 80K, um, and if I see like Ethereum and Solana starting to close below, uh, some of their monthly levels that are relevant as well. Um, I'll actually on my end, uh, pull those up because I do have those numbers pretty clearly marked out. Yeah. So, if Ethereum starts to close back below 2475, uh, and and specifically for me, below 2350, that's where things get a little bit more corrective. Um, for Solana, looking at, um, you know, Solana's actually got a little bit more room, but below right around, um, 98 bucks. You know, I would be looking kind of mid 80s from there for Solana. But realistically, it's hurry up and wait. We got a little dip into the monthlies for liquidity. And now it's about do we see any kind of further continuation down or do we kind of hang out, try back to the upside again? For Bitcoin, you know, I'm looking, um, any kind of trade above $85,000, uh, for Bitcoin would bring the highs back into play anywhere from, you know, 86 to 88. And if we start to, uh, close above the more recent highs at 87 and a half, I would be looking for not only that 88, but probably 90 and maybe even low 90s. Um, but really, it's kind of, it's it's looking as though, you know, mid the back half of October, if we do start to form, you know, a little bit of a reclaim, a bearish reclaim of those monthlies, that we might be in for a little bit of a correction headed into midterms. Um, and it's just a matter of where do we see things head down. I've been talking about this with you for a while. Uh, it's it's for me, it's less about the move up, although it is relevant because we broke some key areas on the monthly. We broke the the bear market downtrend. It's about the move, the next bigger move down. Not just a daily move down like this, but the daily into weekly move down and where does that come from? Are we starting to see it here? We'll probably start to get a good idea towards the weekend close and in towards next week. Um, but until then, it's still more hurry up and wait. And that's okay. I don't mind it. [David] [09:48] Listen, I I don't care either. I I'm hoping that it goes down into the 70s and then upwards. Uh, but if it goes up from here and continues to slowly move up, I I don't care. Either way, it doesn't matter to me. I'm bullish. I'm bullish on either path. I I keep saying this. I'm being repetitive on this. If it goes down one more time and I can go ahead and get add a few more things into my port, I'm totally fucking fine with it. If not, I did everything that I could do during the during the bear market. And that's how you have to look at it. Like if for anybody who's sidelined right now, shame on you. [Guest: Landy] [10:25] Well, I you had opportunities. If you are sidelined right now, even if we do head up, it you know, nothing goes up in a straight line. Um, it is all about the larger, um, daily into weekly correction. We just haven't seen it yet. It's still been an upside move. We're getting some local structure breaks. Nothing too major. And it's all about determining whether or not, uh, we see follow through sooner rather than later with a correction. The daily correction is nice. Got some good liquidity. One of the things that I will caution, um, the bulls about is we're not seeing as aggressive of, uh, a buyback off of some of these areas. Um, and the bears aren't really seizing on it as much right now. You know, we'll see kind of how the weekend goes and kind of how next week goes. But we are seeing volume kind of take a little bit of a dive. And you kind of expect that in and around this time frame. You know, there's a lot of tax loss harvesting in Q4. We've got midterms around the corner. Market is kind of, you know, been very focused. Uh, even the crypto market's been very focused on a lot of the TradFi narrative of TradFi getting involved in crypto. So, I think there's a lot of players just kind of kind of holding on and waiting. Um, and right now, you know, even if we do get another shot higher, I, you know, I think that it's probably getting near the end of that move before a larger, more long form consolidation on the weekly and or correction. And that's why I kept and keep and will keep saying it's not about the move up right now. Yes, it's fun. Enjoy it. If you are sidelined, it's all about the next larger move down. Because it it may, not saying it will, but it may turn into kind of the last shot if we get higher lows or equal low structure on longer term time frames. October is is hotly debated, David, right? It's either October or Rectober, right? And [David] [12:22] For sure. [Guest: Landy] [12:23] We haven't we haven't decided yet. [David] [12:25] You know, I I've just been looking at what's happening. Like I I've sat back, I've analyzed it. We I love my AI agents. I got to tell you. I got I love my whole system that I have set up here. Where I can just look at notes and have my quants. Really, I really do look to them. They're fascinating. Fascinating. I have names for them too. But fascinating work by Vlad and others. But what I do feel is the market is is drying up. I don't know. Like there's there's either we [Guest: Landy] [13:09] Almost like liquidity is not really here. [David] [13:11] Yeah, it's not. And like and I keep saying it and nobody's listening to me. I'm like, okay, so you can't have and obviously I'm going to stretch this out from Bitcoin. Look, Bitcoin's going to do what Bitcoin does. I don't look at the number on Bitcoin anymore. Like at some point, you you just don't really give a shit about the number on Bitcoin. You'll buy it at if Bitcoin's valuable, you're not really looking at the number. I I don't know if I'm saying anything wrong. I'm just like I'm I'm trying to acquire Bitcoin at any price point. That's going to be 60, I'll get it at 60. 40, a dollar, whatever. I'm I'm getting it. I'm still bullish. Everything else though is really like there there is no liquidity and retail's not back. This is one thing that I want to just continue to throw out there. I'm going to tell you why retail's not back. I have eight let's just talk about X. I have 813,000 followers. [Guest: Landy] [14:11] Mhm. [David] [14:12] X does this really cool thing for everybody who who's able to have premium plus, you can go into analytics. Out of the 813, every day I got like either 277 to 400,000 active participants who who participate in replying to my stuff. [Guest: Landy] [14:36] Yeah. [David] [14:36] Or looking at my posts. Or looking at I guess the lives, right? That's half of my audience. Or not even. That's on a good day, let's say, where people get a little bit excited. They come back and look. [Guest: Landy] [14:50] A quarter to a third. Yeah. [David] [14:52] I am telling you right now, retail has not come back for the last five we can say for the last five years. And when I mean retail, let me let me explain what I mean by retail. Retail is me. I'm retail. I just happen to stay here because I report on the industry. Otherwise, why would I be here? You have to think about it. Sit back and think, why would I want to put myself through all this bullshit? [Guest: Landy] [15:23] [Laughter] [David] [15:24] It's true. It is absolutely 100% facts. [Guest: Landy] [15:29] I wonder that sometimes too, brother. Yeah, I don't [David] [15:32] Sorry. [Guest: Landy] [15:34] You just I know you're cooking, man, but I just can't help but laugh at that because I'm a I'm tiny. I got like what? Like I think X, I have maybe I'm floating around like 15,000 followers. Even I wonder sometimes like, what the hell am I doing here, man? I'm just abusing my [David] [15:55] I'll sit back and I'm saying I thought about this as I was getting, you know, my cut today. I was like, why am I doing this? I've thought about that before. I'm like, why am I I only try like I really besides reporting on the space, I love the space. So it's two things. Besides reporting, I have I love what I do. [Guest: Landy] [16:17] Genuinely, yes. [David] [16:21] It it crypto is the only place that crypto is the only place that is so attached to social that is different than traditional finance and whatever other industries are out there. Like, [Guest: Landy] [16:38] Yeah. [David] [16:39] Social media is already toxic. People are already waking up negative and hating things. Now add in crypto. And and here you have it. And now all these platforms, look, I talked about pump fund today. Look at the extractors. 170,000 tokens just from a 25 25 dev sample. Top 25 devs pushed on on pump, push out 770,000 tokens. [Guest: Landy] [17:12] It's wild. It's wild. [David] [17:14] They made 100 they made $128,000 excuse me, $128 million. By bundling, putting the shit out there, pulling it out. That's it. That's not crypto. That's why, you know, when you when you sit back and I analyze the markets like you do, but I analyze it from, you know, I go deeper, I guess into the trenches, but I don't want to say you don't either. [Guest: Landy] [17:41] A little deeper into the trenches. Just a little. [David] [17:43] But I look and I see like how people are getting set up. And how brands are being destroyed. Like I see it. You know, I I used to say the VCs bundled and they did, but not like this. Like at least the VCs would send things to fucking multi-millions and billions. This ain't that. These people don't even want to send this past like 150K. [Guest: Landy] [18:08] Well, [David] [18:09] This is this is absolutely highway robbery. This is not our space. This is not how you would present our space. This is crypto is not gambling. It was never set up for gambling. So what I'm what I really wanted to just say, and I'm sorry I went on a tangent. I know we're low on minutes, but retail has never come back. For the five year for the last five years, the people who got absolutely destroyed by buying the NFTs and NBA Top Shot and all this stuff, right? [Guest: Landy] [18:41] Mhm. [David] [18:41] People who got wrecked haven't come back. And there's reasons why also. We're at $1.3 trillion in consumer credit card debt. [Guest: Landy] [18:53] Yep. [David] [18:53] People don't have money. Like people just they don't have money right now to to come in here and spend. Are they starting to get interested? Yeah, but they don't have money yet to come in. They're backed up on their rent. There are factors to why people are not in yet. Now, if the Republican Party does win the House and Senate and Trump does, let's say, send out $5,000 to every American who voted, or every American in general, every adult out here, $5,000. Are they all coming to crypto or are they all coming to the traditional? I don't know. But uh, maybe 20, 30% might say, you know what, fuck it, I'll I'll take a chance. The rest are are are going to try to put food on the table and and, you know, I don't know, do things that are more, you know, obviously related to life, to making sure like the lights stay on. But 10 to 20% Could they come in here? Why not? And the last thing I want to say is, memes might be dead. I'm I'm on I'm on the ninth inning two outs. [Guest: Landy] [20:00] It's wild. [David] [20:02] I'm I'm somebody who's been here since day one talking about memes way before anybody else did. I don't want to hear Y'all can say whatever you want, it's time stamp in articles, in mainstream media, on mainstream media. I'm bullish on memes. I'm bullish on meme culture. I'm not bullish on whatever's happening here. [Guest: Landy] [20:22] Well, I I said this before, a long time ago when it was very unpopular to do so with memes. I said, sure, if you want to call it a super cycle, here's what I'm going to call it for memes. It is a a very, very quick bull to bear market cycle. That is your super cycle for memes. And I caught a lot of heat for it. Um, but the the biggest thing with memes is the meme culture hasn't gone away in general. It's still alive and well. [David] [21:02] It won't go away. [Guest: Landy] [21:04] Yeah, no, in fact, it's it's um, you're starting to see meme culture really, really get revived in like the video game side of things. So a lot of a lot of the gamers are back into full meme mode. And what we've [David] [21:19] Let me I don't mean to cut you off, but you know what Lark Lark Davis was on yesterday. And he said something really interesting. He said, he's bullish on crypto because of the memes. And he's not in memes. Like the only meme he has is Pepe, but he's like, because there's so much speculation going on in memes that it's bullish for the crypto ecosystem. Because there will always be speculation here. [Guest: Landy] [21:47] Well, I agree in the sense that there will always be speculation here. But the the coalescing around, uh, very popular memes for the long term, I think that is over. And I think it's been over for a long time and the writing's been on the wall for it for a long time. I think that it is a that it is a race, right? All the memes that come out, you have to you have to race the the clock with the memes and continue to race that clock and it's going to continue to tick faster and faster and faster. [David] [22:22] Well, you're talking about the rotational aspect of what we are seeing now. It was never this rotational. [Guest: Landy] [22:28] Well, and and what's funny is is even with the meme bear market, it's still keeping that pace of rotation, which is something that I was talking about. If you want to talk about the, you know, Murad meme coin super cycle stuff, which, you know, he's back out there again, right? You know, um, [David] [22:47] He says some crazy shit. [Guest: Landy] [22:49] I I can't get on board with it, man. Like I I I I can't. I I [David] [22:54] I don't know if it's I don't know if he's I don't know if he's really like that delusional or or it's an engagement play because I I I Guy, I I love memes, but come on. Like it like I'm sorry. I mean, we ain't, you know, like fuck. [Guest: Landy] [23:10] It's [David] [23:11] It ain't flipping Bitcoin, bro. It ain't flipping the stock market. What are we talking about? Like I respectfully I say this. [Guest: Landy] [23:18] Well, the here's the my biggest problem with that is I think that he's right in in terms of a super cycle thesis, but in the way that I paint it. And that is in that it is going to boom and bust very, very quickly, faster and faster and faster. And it does get eyes on the space though. And when retail is here, they are going to go into memes. So he's not wrong in his entire in his entire talk, but I think he's completely wrong. [David] [23:43] Okay, we all, you know, respectfully, we all talk about that. But I ain't out here to I will never come on here on any platform and tell you that whatever I might love, I ain't going to be on here telling you Dogecoin is flipping the stock market, bro. That that is Listen, I respect the delusional belief. I think you need to be delusional in your convictions 100%. But that's crazy. [Guest: Landy] [24:07] Yeah. [David] [24:08] But that's going to get engagement. That's what's being talked about. [Guest: Landy] [24:10] Exactly. That's my point. Is that it's all about the engagement. It's all about the narrative and you need to ride that narrative, um, and and make sure you take profits very quickly. And I hope that those that latched on to the quote unquote super cycle narrative in the prior bull market, I hope that they have learned that you have to take profits as quickly as possible. We keep saying it over and over again. I know they won't, but at least it's on record that I'm telling telling you, take profits when it is time, when you see it all popping off, take profits, let the dust [David] [24:45] Look, look, look, hold on. I took profits, but I did hold. So like look, I've been very honest with even with my content. Like I put out, you know, a piece where I said I wish I would have bought more Bitcoin. Not that I didn't buy Bitcoin. I wish I would have allocated more money into Bitcoin rather than going after some of these plays. That's really it. But I don't have any regrets, but I'm just saying I wish I don't want that's not regret talking. It's just like I wish though, I would have allocated more and just bought more Bitcoin because I wouldn't have, you know, you don't have that headache. Like Bitcoin, you buy it, you sell it, nobody gives a fuck. You know, you get what I'm saying? Like I don't even sell my Bitcoin, but I'm saying like you buy it, you sell it, nobody cares. You buy a a fucking meme, you sell it, you got a fucking space open with 19,000 people with pitchforks. Okay? So who the fuck wants to be like I'm starting to, yo, I don't know. Some people are fucking calling me and and and DMing me and texting me, they're like, yo, bro, you And I hate the way they say it, but they're like, you're you sound like you're growing up after all these years. I'm like, shut the fuck up. It's not me growing up. You I think you should I'm a risk taker. I think you should take risk on plays. They might pan out. By the way, before you go, I want to say something. Uh, Lark Davis again, when he was on here yesterday, we somehow fell into

[Part 3 of 11] [David] [00:00] subject of talking about DeFi. And we talked about Ave. And I was like, yeah, I've been in Ave since it was lend. [Guest: Lundy] [00:07] Yes. [David] [00:08] And and we were talking about how important DeFi is, right? And what assets you should really be looking at, things like Ave. And then he mentioned Sky and I started laughing. [Guest: Lundy] [00:18] Oh, yeah, hey, look, um [David] [00:21] Those are the two DeFi plays that, you know, were mentioned. [Guest: Lundy] [00:24] that he was into. Yeah, look, I mean, um, I'm I'm a little bit heavier on the Sky allocation side. I took heavy profits on Ave in in the prior cycle. Um, you know, going back to uh, 21. Um, still in. Um, but Sky is something I think is very interesting. It'll do very well. And I I honestly do think when you have to have these DeFi platforms, you have to have lending, right? Because even with the stock token narrative and the RWA narrative and all the tokenization of traditional market assets and indices and equities, you need to have that lending loop, right? You need to have the borrowing and lending loop. So, and and I think that that is going to be a a major, major narrative, even if it's cooking behind the scenes and it's not like the upfront narrative in the moment. I think you're going to see that uh, DeFi is going to be back in a very big way. Um, and AI and DeFi paired together is going to be back in a massive, massive way. Um, and it's really just percolating behind the scenes right now. Um, and a lot of there's big, big moves being made by large players in traditional markets to actually integrate with a lot of these different platforms for lending, and then they're also going to be spinning up their own. Um, and you see the you see the wheels turning, man. I I I'm excited about the space in general. Um, irrespective of price action, I am I'm excited about the future. Um, and I think that a lot of that is um, now, I think the industry is more comfortable since the SEC and CFTC have come out and kind of given the green light. So, I think I'm looking forward to it, man. Also, you know, I have to get this in in this show for a very specific reason, but Trump 2028. [David] [02:15] Oh my God. Oh my God. [Guest: Lundy] [02:19] Clip that. [David] [02:20] We're going to be taken down from Look, restricted. Just because you said that. [Guest: Lundy] [02:24] Wait, you got to be kidding me. [David] [02:25] We're restricted now again on TikTok. [Guest: Lundy] [02:27] There's no way. No way. [David] [02:30] Thanks a lot. Appreciate you saying uh what you just said. I'll appeal it. [Guest: Lundy] [02:33] David, there is no way you got restricted that quick. [David] [02:38] Yeah. [Guest: Lundy] [02:39] We have a lag on the stream. There's no way. We have at least a 30-second lag. [David] [02:44] See, you mentioned Trump you mentioned Trump 2028 and boom, that's what happened. [Guest: Lundy] [02:49] And say hi to Hunter for me. [David] [02:51] I will, I will. Um, appreciate you coming on. I know you got a show today. Uh, tune into Lundy's show at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time or ET, excuse me. I don't know why I say Eastern Standard Time. It's just so. Tune in ET to fucking ET. You look like ET. [Guest: Lundy] [03:09] Yeah. [David] [03:11] It's going to be out of this world, man. Yeah. Tune in and um, check out uh, a bunch of men talking about astrology. [Guest: Lundy] [03:21] Yep. And the stars. [David] [03:22] About how the moons connect to to to all the traditional markets and the crypto markets, what not. Lundy, appreciate you, bro. [Guest: Lundy] [03:32] I love you, brother. [David] [03:33] I love you too, man. [Guest: Lundy] [03:35] Take care of yourself. [David] [03:36] I want to go cry. [Guest: Lundy] [03:39] I'm sorry. [David] [03:39] Have a great one, bro. [Guest: Lundy] [03:41] You too. Take care, brother. I'll talk to you later. [David] [03:44] Oh, I'll talk to you. Leave, man. What the fuck you like, oh. [Guest: Lundy] [03:47] You got you got to take me out of the. [David] [03:50] Nobody wants you here. Bye. Anyway, welcome back to the program. It's episode 801. 800 was yesterday. I know it account and uh we are joined by right now in the back Look, I I wish we had better, you know, we we got to hire people who can give some of our guests some water or Skittles in the back. This is messed up. Being in a green room and waiting to come onto the show. Disrespect. David's joining us. So David Pollock, what's going on, sir? [Guest: David] [04:22] Not too much, man. No, you guys did take care of me. I got all the green I I requested just specifically the green Skittles. Um, they're fantastic. Yeah. Thank you. [David] [04:31] Thank you, Lundy. I appreciate that. I you know, Lundy's usually eating stuff in the back and. [Guest: David] [04:35] Yeah. [David] [04:36] Um, no, I appreciate you coming on. Obviously, midterms. We're 24 days away from uh seeing if uh Americans will will in my opinion, vote for the blue wave of socialists. Uh, what what are we looking at, Dave, here? [Guest: David] [04:54] I don't know. Uh, I mean, what do you want to hear? Because uh, the reality is the midterms of the midterms. Historically, Republicans or the party in power lose, right? So whoever wins the White House, historically, in the midterm after, that party loses. But we're not in historic times. I mean, we've only had one non-consecutive second-term president in history. So, we really can't go, well, historically, it doesn't really count. Plus, this is just everything's new where we're at right now with the fact with the way we vote, with the way we poll. I I so I don't know what's going to happen, but I do know this. Um, I think Republicans Republicans are going to do better than people expect them to do. I don't think Republicans are so divided and so upset with President Trump. I don't think his approval rating is consistent with what the polling suggests. I don't think Polymarket is a very good measure, even though I love Polymarket. They're good about a lot of things. But it's a feelings poll, not a facts poll. And so just because people feel like we're going to lose doesn't mean we are. Um, but look, we need to be afraid so we show up. We need turnout. But primary turnout was strong for Republicans. And the candidates for the Democrats really aren't that exciting and the Democrats aren't real thrilled about DSA candidates either. So, I don't know what's going to happen. Uh, I think we'll all be watching very closely on the midterms to see what lessons we can learn from it. But I don't know what's going to happen, but I do feel pretty good about Republicans' chances. [David] [06:17] Oh, there's some Democrats out there that look at this and say, you know what? I might not, you know, my my my principles don't line up with Republican principles, but [Guest: David] [06:27] Yeah. [David] [06:28] I I'm definitely not going to vote for socialist communist candidates. Do you think there are those Democrats that are out there and even independents on the fence that are like, you know what? I will vote Republican because we can't have, you know, a bunch of socialists and communists come into office. [Guest: David] [06:46] I think there's a lot of establishment Democrats, old-school Democrats that feel that way, but I also believe Democrats uniquely will put everything aside in order to win. And so where Republicans are a little bit more fractured and a little more independent-minded, and we've seen this harm Republicans throughout history is that we can't get everybody on the same page to support anything, which is why President Trump has to do everything with executive order. Democrats, even if it's against their own interest, tend to come together, um, regardless. So, I do think there's a lot of Democrats who are kind of holding their nose and voting Democrat. Turnout. That that is going to be the key. And it's always the key. It's the reason why you have all these fear campaigns and these ads and the mailers. Everybody, every party, Republican, Democrat Party needs their base to turn out because your base is like your foundation. And whoever has the stronger foundation has a better chance of winning because those swing voters, everything you build on top of that foundation, Trump calls them the coalition. But it's the swing voters who decide every election, which party they feel like flipping towards. You have to have a strong base in which to carry them. And if your base is already not turning out, your base is weak, the swing voters are not going to carry you. And so that's really what we're fighting over right now is those swing voters and our base. And I think the Democrat base might be a little weaker than the Republican base just by the fact that look at the people lining up for the Trump rallies, lines around the building, people still getting there hours ahead of time, sold out buildings, people being turned away. And Trump's not even on the ballot. So Trump as the leader of the Republican Party, he's, I believe, as just as popular or more popular than ever before with Republicans. Now, I know a lot of people are saying, David, but gas prices and the coalition and look at all the people upset. Those are swing voters. So you have to separate the base from the swing voters, the Republicans versus the people who show up on election day and are always unhappy with whoever they vote for. So you separate the two, right? And I think the Democrat base, like you mentioned, because of the DSA candidates, I think the Democrat base is not as enthusiastic to show up as Republican base is because Trump is the is building and and and sustaining the Republican base, whereas on the left, you don't have that figure. Kamala Harris isn't the leader of the Democratic Democratic Party. So Democrats need to ask themselves, who is the leader of our party? Who is rallying our base? And I don't think they can answer that question. They have grievances certainly and that'll help the swing voters show up. But what will make their base turn out? And I don't think AOC, I don't think Zora Mandani, I don't think Al-Saied, I don't think Hakeem Jeffries is encouraging establishment Democrats to get really excited and show up on election day. [David] [09:19] Do you think the war in Iran hurt us in terms of, you know, because before the war in Iran, um, if you looked at the polls, the Republicans were holding the House and Senate. Iran war, it kind of shifted. I still think, and I've said this multiple times, the Democrats are fighting inside. They unleashed a monster in this DSA party to go after Trump. And now they can't, they can't lock up this monster. It it is spreading. And there's infighting. But back to the Iran, do you think the Iran war though did hurt the Republican Party? And also, Senator Thune and his goons not passing anything that Trump and the administration has for an agenda, could that also have hurt us? [Guest: David] [10:15] So let's take it one at a time. Did Iran hurt the Republican Party? And I'm glad you said Republican Party, you said us. And I said, clarify who us is. Because uh so with the Republican Party, I don't think the Iran war hurt the Republican Party. Polling in the Republican Party is strong towards the Iran war. It's a a lot of Republicans think it's a great idea. Personally, I think it's a great idea. What I know about their capabilities with the super enriched uranium that they possess, if Americans really knew what the threat was, uh and I'm going to be reporting on it next week, they would be even more enthusiastic about our efforts in Iran. Uh it was very dangerous for the United States and our allies. Um, but that being said, I don't think it hurt us with Republicans. I certainly it gave a narrative to the left and it hurt us with the swing voters that I mentioned to you, the Trump coalition. That's where you saw the America First, Maga divide and trying to put a definition behind what those are. America First people essentially are just swing voters who now are having a brand associated with them, the Tucker Carlson and MGTs of the world. Um, but that being said, uh I don't think that hurt us. Now, going into the mid What was the second part of your question? Sorry, I was thinking about so many things that I just blew past your second question. [David] [11:22] I hit you with like two and three and one. [Guest: David] [11:24] I know. I was trying to remember them all. [David] [11:27] But I see a lot of I I think that the, you know, the Democrats are so desperate to go after Trump because they have no You said they have no leadership. I don't even know who the leader of the Democratic Party is. [Guest: David] [11:38] Exactly. [David] [11:38] When I look at it. Um, and and I try to be down the middle, but it it is a fear thing. Like I look at it and I I have I look at that party, I have no clue who's leading that party. Uh there's nobody with aura, like zero aura. Uh that's the way I look at it. [Guest: David] [11:53] And what's the messaging too? Like what's the messaging? [David] [11:55] We hate Trump. That's the messaging. [Guest: David] [11:57] Nobody ever wins elections on hate. We've seen it time and time again. People want to vote for something. They don't want to vote against something. And they're not going to win on that messaging. [David] [12:07] But I feel like you have the Democrats who I think they're internally, they're fighting like crazy because like [Guest: David] [12:14] Correct. [David] [12:15] You have you had uh I think it was uh I forgot if it was Wisconsin where Hong was running and you had AOC and Bernie Sanders, the ultimate socialist people that would not endorse her. [Guest: David] [12:29] Yeah. [David] [12:29] Somebody who from the DSA, absolutely stayed away, no endorsement. And I feel like they're now realizing, okay, hold on. We let we our hatred for Trump went to such a level that now we've opened up Pandora's box and we can't close it. [Guest: David] [12:47] Yeah. Yeah. [David] [12:48] So that that's the way I look at it. Um, I also don't believe [Guest: David] [12:51] You're right. Look at LA. Look at LA. You know, it's you're making an excellent point and I want to highlight it for the audience because look at LA. Karen Bass, the mayor of LA, who by the way, nobody thinks she's done a great job. Um, you have uh Nithya Raman, who, you know, suspiciously beat Spencer Pratt in the in the vote by mail totals. So much so that even she was gaining on on um Karen Bass. Now, all the establishment Democrats are coming together behind Karen Bass because they don't want Nithya Raman, who they the Democrats believe is a much worse choice for LA and for California and for the Democratic Party. So when you don't hear about this in the media because they all want to talk about the Republican divide. But look at LA. I've been agreeing with Democrats on social media about how terrible Nithya Raman would be. And so when Republicans and Democrats are agreeing on the candidate who's now leading the polls by almost 20 points in some instances, there is a fight, a tremendous fight happening on the left, and I do believe that benefits us. [David] [13:55] I think the poll I I agree with you when it comes to polling. They had Hillary was supposed to win in 2016. I mean, Trump wasn't supposed to win against Kamala and we had Trump win both times. So, you know, the polling is is great, but I I feel like the Republican Party and maybe you can go ahead and clarify this. I think the Republicans come out election day. Like they come out in full force to go ahead and vote. [Guest: David] [14:20] This is a big problem that uh, you know, Scott Pressler has put a lot of effort into getting people to vote early or even vote by mail. Um, Republicans are they don't trust voting before election day. I've spoken to them, I've run campaigns. I tell them, guys, vote early. You never know what's going to happen on election day. You could wake up with a sore thumb and you might not want to show up. Vote early. Vote, you know. And there was, well, I don't trust it. If I vote early, they're going to know what the totals are and they'll manufacture enough fraud to make sure that they overcome those totals and there's a lot of suspicion around voting early. But that's all changing. Now, that was certainly the case in 2020. Now, 2022, 2024, we started seeing a shift that more Republicans are now voting early. A lot of Republicans are voting by mail. And as a result, Republican turnout has now increased before election day. And I can tell you this, I've run campaigns. The second polls close is when they in functional states, not places like California, but places like Florida. They second the polls close, they release all of the ballots that have been counted up to election day. And in almost every single campaign I've ever worked on, what whoever's ahead when that first dump comes out, usually wins because election day results almost never flip the pre-election day turnout. So, if Republicans are waiting till election day and the Democrats are way up, it's really hard on election day to overcome that. So now that Republicans are matching and in some instances have greater early voting and vote by mail turnout, it's putting us in a much stronger position come election day because you're right, Republicans do have a higher turnout usually on election day. But if you combine early voting and you combine vote by mail and then you add that to strong election day turnout, it's a recipe for success. And that success we've benefited from, not just in 2024, but in a lot of if you look at the primaries as well. And so going into this midterms, the polling, you're right, they're persuasion polls, they're political polls, they're to get people to believe one side is up or down. And I'm not going to go into the psychological, you know, the psychological campaigns that go into elections. But but at the end of the day, I think the polling that suggests like Talarico in Texas that's two points up, I don't believe that's true. Um, but again, Republicans are used to the polls being wrong. It motivates us to turn out. And I would rather Republicans think we're going to lose so they show up, uh versus them thinking we're ahead and they could just sit it out. And so, again, that that all of that informs me to believe that I think we're going to have a stronger uh election day turnout or or midterm turnout and possibly victories that people didn't see coming. [David] [16:52] Is it frustrating to see that the Senate has done nothing to help Trump and his agenda to actually make America great again? Like I I mean, like people can laugh at that, but really he comes into office and I've stated this with uh multiple people that have come onto the show. I'm like, he comes in guns blazing, everything's rolling. Like I like we felt energy with I guess I I felt energy that I didn't feel for, you know, the whole term that Biden was in office. So like he's passing things and things are happening. It's it's amazing to watch and then obviously Iran happened. And I I believe we should be there. I I cannot trust Iran with nuclear weapons. I don't care what anybody says. Besides them, you know, doing what they do to their own people, you know, and hopefully their people, you know, nobody talks about the 50,000 people that protesters who have been killed. But, um, them having a nuclear weapon, a terrorist country like them or or I say we should say the regime, not the people. The regime there who who is just supported terrorism, funded terrorism. And now for them to get a nuclear weapon in their hands, that's crazy. Like, yeah, I I give Trump massive credit for having the balls to go in there and say, you know what? We ain't going to let this happen. And yeah, it's frustrating, right? We don't want to be at war, but there was no other choice. And I'm sure you'll be reporting on that next week as you said, and I'll be tuning in. I'm interested. [Guest: David] [18:22] I'll give you a preview. I'll give you a preview. And a lot of people, I know, in the comments and on social media are going to be like, oh, we blew up the nukes. They weren't that close. They didn't have a weapon. How would they deliver it to us? There's a lot of people who don't want to believe that Iran was the threat that President Trump said they are. But uh as it was explained to me and again, I'll report on this in detail next week and I'll have people on the show to to to support what I'm telling you. Credible people. Um, Iran had enough in super enriched uranium to make a Hiroshima style, actually, probably 400 Hiroshima style nuclear weapons. And let me explain how this works in a very simple way without giving away uh, you know, I don't want to give any secrets away. But in reality, figuring out how to make the enriched uranium was the struggle of building the bomb in World War II. Once we figured that out, getting it to explode is fairly simple. And Iran has 400 pounds or had 400 pounds of super enriched uranium, this highly enriched uranium and the triggering mechanisms to detonate it. They just didn't have a delivery system. But you don't need a delivery system to create for a device. And the threat and the reason why you heard Trump say the other day, oh, LA and San Diego. He didn't just pull those ports out of his ass. Long uh Long Beach is the largest uh port in the world. And yes, we do have radiation detectors and yes, and and again, I'll talk about this all next week. But the device that Iran was capable and may have already created was capable of detonating outside of those areas where they would have been able to detect it or smuggle it to different vessels that aren't readily checked at sea. And as a result, there was our largest uh Pacific fleet port in San Diego, where the aircraft carriers, by the way, we launched to go attack Iran are based in. And our largest shipping port in the world, both were vulnerable to this plan that Iran was putting together. And they had everything they needed to carry out these attacks, which is why there was Operation Midnight Hammer, but that wasn't enough. We buried this enriched uranium under dirt and sand and concrete, but they're trying to get it out right after we did it. This second operation was to ensure that they don't ever dig it up and never try to enrich it again. And everyone's like, well, everybody has nukes. Pakistan has nukes, Israel has nukes, we have nukes, Russia has nukes, North Korea has nukes. All of that is true. However, Iran, they're an ideological government, right? These aren't this isn't North Korea that just wants to reign over its people. They want to bring the end to the world. They want to go meet their virgins in heaven, wherever they go. They want literally to destroy any infidel, anybody that poses a threat to their beliefs. They're not thinking like a North Korea or a Pakistan or any other rational country. Given the opportunity to kill as much of the enemy as possible, they would take it and they had what they needed in order to do that. And again, I'm going to cover this in detail next week. That threat was more real than most Americans realize. And when Trump mentioned San Diego and LA, he was tipping a hat to, you guys really have no idea how dangerous they were. And the gas prices, as you mentioned, were artificially high and secondary, a small price to pay considering what they were planning to do. Now, people can argue with me all they want and say I'm making all of this up, go do your research. Um, it's it was a real threat to the United States. And yes, President Trump was willing to lose the midterms, knowing gas prices would be high to protect Americans. And as far as I'm concerned, that is a credit to a man who put this country over politics. That is America First. And so, um, more on that next week. But on John Thune, um, and and the leadership in the Republican Party, I want to commend Mike Johnson in the House because the House was a real pain point for us for a long time, but we have maybe at best at times five vote majority. And any opportunity that Republicans can ever take to make themselves famous by being the lone standout that has to get everything they want so they can become famous before the next election. Mike Johnson was able to avoid that. Pass the Save America Act five different times. Pass a big beautiful bill. Pass a chunk of this president's agenda. I think um Randy Fine, Congressman Randy Fine last time he was on my show said, there's 600 bills that the House passed that are sitting in the Senate. The Senate is our real problem. And when you have John Thune, who I I believe is is is awful as a leader, has done nothing to help President Trump. He is a relic of the establishment. But look at what Trump has done. Cornyn is gone, Tillis is going out. We have all of these people that were standing McConnell's gone. You have all these in in quite literally, but you have all these people who are standing in the way of President Trump's agenda on their way out. Maga is winning. And after if we hold the Senate, Trump's agenda will be easier to pass as the Maga Caucus, as this new Republican Party starts to take their seats. We're going to see it in the House, we're going to see it in the Senate. Yes, I'm frustrated, but the fact that I'm frustrated means the Trump base is frustrated, which is why the turnout in the primaries were so high, which is why I believe we will hold the House and hold the Senate. At least it'll be very close heading into November because the Republican base, those of us who turned out for President Trump, we're still motivated, we're still pissed, and a lot of us actually see the great job President Trump is doing. [David] [23:37] I love that. I really do and I hope that we do hold the House and the Senate. I think there's a chance that we you know, it'll be an upset, but for some, it really won't be an upset because we probably always believe that we would hold the House and Senate. Um, one last question. I know you're busy. Um, and I'll talk about your show also to my entire audience so they go ahead and tune in, especially you got to tune in next week. Uh, I watch your stuff. You're you're really good at what you do. Um, Mandani comes out with a message, yes, or what was it on October 7th? [Guest: David] [24:11] Yeah. [David] [24:12] Uh, might as well not have even wrote a tweet. Like might as well just not even come out and said a word. Um, I I know what happened in Israel, but let's talk about Hamas and there. [Guest: David] [24:24] Yeah. [David] [24:26] Do people are people starting to see this or they're just like blinded by all this shit that that's going on. And to the point where we'll one day wake up. I hope this doesn't happens and we're London. Like when do people start to wake up and say, holy shit, like these these people have different agendas. Uh I like capitalism, by the way. I think capitalism is phenomenal. I think socialism, yeah, we have some socialism here uh in the United States of America, but what they want to bring forth here, it's crazy. Besides that, what are your thoughts on that? Like here's a here's the a mayor of the most famous city in the world just doesn't want to acknowledge what happened. [Guest: David] [25:11] I spent my entire monologue on yesterday's show dedicated to this point. Um, there's I'm going to break this down in a few different levels and I'm going to ask people to look at France and look at Paris right now, Northern Paris, where you see the student protests. If you've been covering this, I'm sure you have. The student protests in Paris, you have a lot mostly migrants. Two-thirds of these students are migrants or children of migrants. Um, and they are protesting backed by teachers unions and the radical far-left socialist party there, allegedly. And they're protesting because they want the schools are not in good enough condition. So they're burning them down. They're not getting the class sizes are too big. So they're attacking and burning their teachers. None of this has anything to do with education, right? It all has to do with the socialist utilizing this migrant wave, manufacturing enough hate, building the narrative of grievance, and then weaponizing it to overthrow a democratic government. And the reason why I'm using that example is because now we have to look at New York. Now, Zora Mandani, right?

[Part 4 of 11] [Guest: David] [00:00] This guy's a Democratic socialist, runs New York City. Not only that, he's Muslim. So you have a Muslim Democratic socialist running New York City, and of course he's going to put out an October 7th tweet. I mean, is anybody shocked? No, we're not. But he also said he remembering the victims of October 7th. At the vigil, uh I forget where it was. It was in Union Square, at the vigil in Union Square. There were probably 200 uh demonstrators, most of them were there where there is a vigil to remember the victims of October 7th. They had candles, right? Then the pro Hamas protesters, the pro free Palestine, whatever you want to call these folks, they showed up and then they started taking the candles from the people who were there holding a vigil for the victims of October 7th, and they started singing Hava Nagila to mock the Jews that were there. And then Zora Mandani was there. You know what they did? They chased him down, they threatened him, they called him names. He had to leave. The free Palestine people, these Marxist, communist, Islamist, whatever you want to call them. Not only were they mocking people remembering October 7th, but then they chased away the Democratic socialist Muslim mayor of New York. Think about that. So if the Democratic socialist Muslim mayor of New York had to get chased away by this angry mob of whoever these aggrieved people are, what is that say about the mindset of these people? So yes, Zora Mandani posts something disgusting. I expected he would do it. But the big picture here and the big takeaway from here is is a bigger lesson, you have to look to France. Because this anger, this rage, it's the imported hate mixed with the manufactured hate, the institutionalized hate, and it's being weaponized against government. Zora Mandani, because he's mayor of New York and because he actually said something like, oh yeah, we're remembering the victims and we're remembering the genocide, not enough. And what the left is creating in this country is very similar to what we're seeing carry out in Europe. They're creating a group of mostly imported hate, which is why they're so pro open border. They're so pro open border because they're taking people and weaponizing them against this country, using these radical ideologies and then over 30 or 40 years of institutional uh indoctrination in our public schools, you combine that with teachers unions in the United States and in Europe, teachers unions, who are organizing these students under Marxist principles. So it doesn't matter if it's BLM, it doesn't matter if it's no kings, it doesn't matter if it's free Palestine, it doesn't matter if it's you can take whatever sign, same mask, different costumes, same cause, it is a Marxist revolution and now the Marxists as throughout history, realize that in order to overthrow a government, well, an enemy of my enemy is my friend. And this is where you get that the Islamo Marxist phrase. This is where you get the red green alliance. A lot of these things go over people's heads as something that lunatics just throw out. But in reality, the the is Islamic people, the Muslims in America want Sharia law, it's per their teachings. And the communists, they want a different government. So they're willing to work together utilizing and employing Marxist principles as we see play out in Europe in the United States. And this Marxism is working and these people are being elected, but if people think just simply electing Al-Said, electing Nithya Raman, electing Zora Mandani is going to be the end of it, it's not because that in and of itself is not enough. The idea is to remove any opposition to replacing this government with what they plan to institute. And here's a big warning for America, every single time the Islamists and the communists work together under principles of Marxism, the Islamists win, and then they push out the communists and then we're talking about a much different country. Look at Iran as a perfect example. So, yes, the post was disgusting. Uh, it doesn't matter. This is a we're very early in an in a in a long game, but we're losing, which taking everything back to the midterms that we talked about at the very beginning, which is why this midterm is so important. We're not talking about gas prices. We're not talking about the price of beef. We're talking about literally the fundamental elements of this country, the principles of freedom and democracy and and capitalism versus something that's totally different. And every opportunity they have to peel away the layers of our Republic, they are doing it. People need to wake up, people need to show up and it's why everybody needs to show up vote Republican in November. [David] [04:21] Man, I would give you a round of applause, man. [Guest: David] [04:24] Uh. [David] [04:25] David Polck, man, you you have a great show, you do a great job. I've tuned in, I've watched and uh, can you tell us when that show uh you're breaking down all that stuff. When when is that going to be uh happening? [Guest: David] [04:37] Well, I break it well, so next week we're going to be covering once I'm working on some guests. So next week I'm going to cover uh the real threat of Iran. Um, I'll stay tuned on when that date's going to be. I'm working on that right now. Uh but I talk about the stuff I just talked about on your show almost every single night on my show and it airs 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the One American News Network. You can find One American News Network a lot of places now after they tried to take us off air, um because that's a whole another story. But we're back, we're better than ever, we're profitable and we're almost on every channel. If you have YouTube TV, if you have Spectrum Charter, Cox, um if you have uh Sling, Dish Network, and we have the OAN Live app where I am and you can find me on demand anytime if you miss a show. Um and so that's where you can come watch my show 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the One American News Network, you know, set a reminder, set a DVR if you can't stay up to 10:00 o'clock at night Eastern. And of course, I'm everywhere on social media @DavidPollockUSA. David Pollock USA, not David Pollock 47. That's a different David Pollock. David Pollock USA on all platforms and check out the show David Pollock Primetime OAN 10:00 p.m. Eastern. And thank you so much for having me on. Awesome show. You got to join me on my show. [David] [05:40] Let me know when and I'll be there. Uh but I'd love to have you back to [Guest: David] [05:44] Anytime. [David] [05:44] especially after the midterm so we can go ahead and uh uh see what listen, let's pray that the House and the Senate holds Republican. Uh I I know a lot of people don't like it when I say that, but I really do hope that they do hold um both the House and Senate. And I will put all your information out there [Guest: David] [06:01] Thank you. [David] [06:02] for my audience to go ahead and tune in. Thank you so much. I really do appreciate your time. [Guest: David] [06:05] Thank you. [David] [06:06] You taking out the time to come on to the show. [Guest: David] [06:08] No, it was a lot of fun and I really appreciate you having me. [David] [06:10] Thanks, Dave. [Guest: David] [06:11] Thanks. [David] [06:13] Man, that that was good, man. Like I'm telling you, I watch I watch David's show. Really good show. Like he's good, he's on it. He he knows what he's talking about. Like, you know, like I I'm very critical of everything. And there are a few people that I do take the time as I'm working, I tune in, I listen and it's enjoyable. And especially when they bring on guests, there's a good conversation. Debates break out. But he knows his stuff. He knows his stuff. We'll we'll see what happens. I want the, you know, you guys know where I stand already. I want the House and the Senate should be held by the Republican Party. Maybe Dune will do something. He hasn't done shit. So maybe he'll do something. Who knows? Maybe just maybe. Maybe I got to go pray or something. I go pray. Anyway, David Polck, you can catch him 10:00 p.m. Eastern time on on OAN. Oh, is it OANN? OANN. I'll put all the information out there. I'm just messing around. It's Mondays through Fridays. You can check where the hell I'm looking for something. I can't find it. Anyway, it is episode 801. 801, ladies and gentlemen, we're here. Man. You know, I always talk about this. So usually I'm the one like asking the questions, right? Like I'm here asking questions and some guests are just like some guests don't really take the time to give you a full detailed thesis. When you have somebody like Dave Polck and others who come on here and they're just like, I'll tell you why right now and it's just like 15 minutes to answer that. I like it. And but like at least it has has depth to it. It has all the information that you're looking for. And hopefully people, you know, hopefully people learn something today, man. And we have Hunter Biden coming on at 2:00 p.m. So 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. 2:00 p.m. Eastern time. We have Hunter Biden coming on. We'll talk about laptop. He went ahead and came out with his own cryptocurrency. We'll speak about that. 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Digital assets. Is it better to move money at the speed of light? People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I'm here providing electricity. And that energy that is necessary. I'm the modern day Tony Stark. [Other] [14:20] There we go. United States of America representing. Socialism, communism does not work. Digital assets. Is it better to move money at the speed of light? People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I'm here providing electricity. And that energy that is necessary. I'm the modern day Tony Stark. [David] [14:47] Oh my God, I I'm dying laughing, man. I'm actually laughing. That was a funny remark, man. That was that was funny. Welcome back to the breakdown episode 801 sponsored by Midnight. Midnight, you can go ahead and get yourself into Midnight City, be a part of my crew on Midnight City. That's right. Let me know if you guys have signed up to Midnight City. Anybody who's out here who's into Midnight, let me know if you're in Midnight City. 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So you got the US Senate Midterm winner, the Democrats at 59% where they were up to what was it? 66%? Now it's down to 59%. The Republicans are at 41%. The House Midterm uh winner hasn't changed and it's still at 90% uh, you know, Democrats, 11% Republican. I had a, you know what? I just have this I've been sitting back and I've been really kind of reading more, doing a little bit more research. Landy's going to be like, haha, I told you so. But I've been doing a little bit more research on this topic. And you know what? Republicans do Republicans do come out. We do come out on election day. And I agree with David Polck when he says, Republicans really don't like mailing in anything. We're going to come out there and vote. Because they don't trust the system. We're going to come out there and vote because we want to see our ballot. And we want to make sure that whoever we're voting for, that's what's stamped. So I agree with that aspect. To see right now Polymarket, on Polymarket, that the numbers are shifting. Now you have 59%. I I see this number from the center perspective getting lower and lower and lower and lower. I think the debate for El-Said really hurt yesterday. You can say whatever you want to say. I watched that thing. Rogers might not be the greatest debater, but he asked him questions where El-Said could not answer them and did not want to answer them and he was moving the goalpost every single chance he got. So midterm 2026 also also if you have yet to download you've yet to download the Polymarket app. Download it today, get $25 when you use the code breakdown. You can click on the link as well that we have on X and and X is formerly known as Twitter. You can download it using that link and you get $25 for signing up. Not a bad deal. Get $25 for just signing up. Okay. But El-Said, I got to tell you, man, and thank you to obviously Polymarket for providing for providing that information. They always listen, I think they're on top of things. You're not going to get everything right, but they are really on top of things. El-Said, I'm watching this I'm watching the debate and again, Rogers is not this is not somebody who's like, I don't know, I want to say he's not good with words, but he's not good at debating. I don't think he's like, you know, A+ at debating, but he asked questions yesterday that made El-Said he he El-Said wanted to he looked like he wanted to leave the stage. And he looked frustrated. That's probably the first time that I've seen him frustrated in that type of venue. He was frustrated. Because he couldn't answer the he couldn't answer the question. Or I should say he didn't want to answer the question. But we all know the answer. And as Americans, we have to look at that. As Americans, we have to look at this and say, yo, what are we doing? Like, if you have beef with Trump, I get it. I you don't like Trump? Okay, for whatever reasons it is, mostly probably mainstream media has brainwashed you. You're libertarian. You're goddamn liberal professor has brainwashed you to believe in that capitalism doesn't work, that we should try socialism. Even communism. But you know what? Old school Democrats wouldn't be acting this way. Like old school Democrats would absolutely not be acting this way. I mean, old school Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Obama said say practically the same thing, have the same message and mission statements as Trump. It's just that Trump says it you know Trump. You know how Trump talks? He he listen, he just says it. He doesn't go around in circles. He just tells you what he feels, man. He says it. No PC. But if you if you look at the tapes, if you look at the tapes from Obama speaking, Clinton, Hillary and Bill, like if you look at all the tapes, it's no different than what Trump says. Now, could Trump say things that, you know, that rub people the wrong way? Yeah, absolutely. But Trump wasn't like we talked about Trump was a Democrat. Trump was a Democrat who ran as a Republican because there was no space for him on the ballot with the Democrat. Come on, man. Come on. And I'm sure obviously over the course of time, Trump has grown, you know, obviously he's become a Republican. I'm just saying. Anyway, uh don't buy cold storage from a third party, okay? That's the story today. People buying people buying stuff from a reseller. From a reseller. Are you really that cheap that you can't spend an extra $50? An extra $50. Unreal. An extra $50 gets you the item from Ledger Store. So you want to protect your assets, you get it from the company. You don't get it from a third party. If my friend told me he would give me a ledger for free, I would never accept it. I don't know what my friend did. I don't know where my friend got it. Maybe he got it from a reseller. Now I put my assets on there and I wake up, everything's drained. Are you kidding me? That's crazy. That is crazy, man. That is crazy work, especially that you've been and so many people talking about this, have been in this space for so long that these unforced errors should not be happening, man. You should be sent down to the minor leagues. You shouldn't be in the major leagues. You should be in the minor leagues with the the amount of errors that you guys keep on making. It's crazy. Anyway, I also wanted to talk about again, everything that's happening on Pump Fun. Everything that's happening on Pump Fun where you have the top 25 devs who came out with 170, 170,000 cryptocurrencies or tokens, because I don't want to call them cryptocurrencies, but tokens where people went into them and they came away with $128 million. Only six of them went to $20 million. Only six went to $20 million. I remember looking at my wallets and also seeing how nasty the setups were. I created that pump.fun wallet in June of 2000 well, hold on, June 28th, 2000 26. I created just buying and you realize that all these things are being sent to you, bundled up, waiting for you to go ahead and maybe potentially make a call one day or something to destroy you and your brand. Absolutely setting you up. And who who I'm not the only one that's crash everybody who set up a pump.fun wallet. Set up to go ahead and get absolutely annihilated by bundlers, by these people. By these people that absolutely do crazy work. They're leaving with $128 million. That's the craziest part. They're leaving with $128 million. You don't even fucking know who they are. How can you heal this space when the space don't want healing? Bro, this space does not want any sort of healing. Because $128 million means to me that people they don't want to hold anything. They they don't know what a conviction play is. They want to get money now. And they're jumping into anything that comes out, anything that's shining. The shiny new toy, boom, getting in and they're getting out. That's what it is.

[Part 5 of 11] [00:01] That's the real truth. Everybody who, everybody who's butt hurt and shit makes up shit. I care. That's the truth. And you see it now more important. You know what the crazy part is, and what I love now, is the space is recognizing more and more that these things are happening and we're happening. And they're putting it out there real-time 4K information to show you like, yo, like this game is rigged. And now, and now essentially the VCs or whoever it was, they were going after big names, man. They're going after big platforms to try to put big platforms together, rinse big platforms, make money, which they probably did too. [00:43] They probably did that too with the big ass platforms that actually went with this shit. They didn't take time to actually look and make sure and observe and make that they're good. No, no, no. The ones that jumped right in, boom, got smacked. [01:01] Absolutely smacked. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. A lot, a lot. This never happened, man. That that's the that's the part like, when we were here, we've been here for so long that like we know like the way things, the way things operated before was so much better, man. You had Certic audits. You had real developers developing it. It was different. It was way different. [01:32] Now you got like, who knows who the fuck these goblins are, man? They're sitting back trying to assassinate. [01:43] Wild, man. Absolutely wild. Absolutely wild. That that is that is crazy business, man. I'll tell you it's absolutely crazy. Anyway, it is 1:37 PM on the East Coast. Uh, AI, or I should say SI, so I'm not the enemy of the state. Uh, super intelligence. I'm writing a book on super intelligence. That'll be coming out. Uh, it'll be on my website. Uh, as soon as it comes out, I'll let you guys know. But it really is an easy time to build a business using uh, and most businesses that will be worth millions or billions of dollars, but in the future, I believe they'll be ran by one person and a bunch of AI agents, or SI agents, whatever, whatever we're going with right now. [02:40] I believe that is what's going to happen. I think trading is going to be done by your AI agent. And I think that'll be fun to watch as you create an agent that is absolutely something that can dominate the markets. And the same thing will happen on the other side. People will create the same type of agents to go ahead and also come in and dominate. Quants to come and dominate the crypto markets and in trading. It is going to be a fascinating time. A lot, I still, a lot of people are doing their own trading. A lot of people are not even looking at SI, AI. I'm going to say, I have to say AI because a lot of people don't know what the hell SI is yet. But super intelligence, people who refuse to learn super intelligence are going to get left behind big time. And if you're, if you're three steps behind, you're cooked. You're done. You're absolutely done. I do believe that the ultimate win for crypto is merging with AI. And that's happening. You have protocols that are merging with AI, or SI, excuse me. And it's going to be great. It is absolutely going to be great for crypto. Crypto goes higher. [04:02] I'm just, again, I'm sitting here and wondering, are we, not we, because I don't have a protocol, but are the protocols that are out there really dedicating money and allocating money to security to make sure that the protocols that I'm currently in also are safe? That they're, I mean, like we've gone through enough hacks from bridge hacks to draining, like we we have we have gone through it all. I am hoping that some of my favorite protocols are quantum resistant, okay? I'm hoping that they have done everything possible to make sure that they have no exploits available on their protocols. Because we can't have this continue to happen. Because this gets out to mainstream media. You got Senator Warren, she's going to be all about telling you how unsafe crypto is by showing you examples of how people have gotten drained. People have lost funds with the tech. So I really hope that the real, I'm talking about the real majors, the major assets that we have in this space are really doing the work to make sure that everything is in tip-top shape and tight from all angles. [05:32] I don't want I don't want anybody, including myself, I don't want anybody waking up one day and the whole shit is took from them. Drained right out of their wallets. Their favorite asset at zero because it got hacked. We don't want that. I don't want that. [05:52] Memes. Uh, when Landy was on here, I was talking about the meme uh part of it. And obviously, I hate repeating myself, but I think I have to at times. One of the first people that talked about memes on mainstream media, when nobody thought it was cool. One of the first people that was out here speaking on spaces, speaking anywhere, talking about memes and people thought I was delusional. Now the word delusional is bullish. Before it wasn't. It was bearish to be delusional. Now delusional is bullish. You're bullish if you're delusional. And I'm out here talking about how memes can make a difference, ultimate on-boarder. And it was. Memes were the ultimate on-boarder. They still are. But the real memes were the ultimate on-boarder. The ultimate community maker. The ultimate Kumbaya session, the diamond hands, we're going to make it type of shit. [06:48] Now with these launch pads and with the introduction of pump, where again, I I'm telling I'm just reading the stats, where your top 25 developers or deployers, let's call them deployers, they're not devs. Your top 25 deployers deployed 170,000 plus tokens and made $128 million. [07:18] 25 deployers made $128 million. I'm still stuck on that. Because it's not just that. It's not just about the saturation in the markets. It's not just about the saturation that they've pushed out into the markets. It's about how they have attacked everything. Retail, brands, really good key opinion leaders. [07:57] Which that shit flew under our noses. I got to say that shit flew under our noses. That they've gone to lengths to go ahead and set up big time accounts to go ahead and make money from our names. [08:16] Now it's all in 4K. It is all Thank God it's all in 4K. Thank God. It is 1:43 PM Eastern Time. We'll be back right after this commercial break. 2:00 PM, we'll be joined by Hunter Biden and we'll go ahead and talk about obviously laptop and amongst other stuff. We'll be back. [08:41] What first got you excited about blockchains? Think about it. Oh wait. I bet it wasn't multi-million dollar hacks, exposed data or finding somewhere safe to store your seed phrase. Was it? Maybe it was the idea of decentralizing a broken financial system. Maybe it was imagining a world where people own their own data and get to sharing the value it creates. Or maybe it was the promise of a fundamentally better way of connecting, communicating and transacting. The next phase of the internet that empowers us instead of exploiting us. So why hasn't it happened yet? Where we're still living with the same broken system that blockchains promised to fix. It's because blockchains can't keep a secret. Enabling open transparent systems was only the first half of the challenge. For blockchains to really change the world, they also have to be able to protect our sensitive data when it matters. And that's why we built Midnight to bring down the final barrier to mass adoption and unlock the full potential of the decentralized web. Let's build the internet we deserve. Together. [10:01] Ladies and gentlemen, we all know this in crypto. Ownership matters. That's why Cake Wallet. Cake Wallet gives you full control of your digital assets, all in one easy to use application. You can store Bitcoin, Litecoin, Zcash, Monero, and many more with just one secure backup. Swap between coins in seconds. No copying addresses, no complicated steps, and even includes Bitcoin lightning for faster payments. And with Cake Wallet built in, you can use crypto in real life through debit cards or gift cards. Simple, secure, self-custody. Download Cake Wallet and take control of your crypto. [10:44] This is Houston. T-minus one minute until full data blackout. All eyes are on you. Breaking news. There is an astronaut conducting an emergency repair on a global communication satellite that could go dark at any moment. We have a second angle of this. Is that guy in FOMO? Oh yeah, that's me for crazy trading. Yeah, let's get back to it, everybody. This just in. According to the astronaut's FOMO account, highest in the room, the satellite has been restored. This. For now, the crisis appears to be over. Satellites are running. Positions look good too. [12:29] There we go. United States of America representing. Social optimism does not work. Digital assets. Is it better to move money at the speed of light through people are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I'm here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. I'm the modern day Tony Stark. [12:59] There we go. United States of America representing. Social optimism does not work. Digital assets. Is it better to move money at the speed of light through people are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I'm here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. I'm the modern day Tony Stark. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the show. It's 1:48 PM on the East Coast. 3 hours behind on the West. [13:41] Yeah, I talked about the memes and and then we talked about what Pump Fun is doing. Um, sad. I know they came out with some shit today, but again, it's sad. Let's look at um, by the way, I wanted to pull this up. Where is uh FOMO? Let's look at FOMO, which I obviously am not trading front facing anymore because I got fucking assassins who are jumping into things that I liked and destroying it and put a smile on their faces like, who, me? Yeah, you. We know. We know. We know. [14:22] And motherfucker, we we've been here for so I've been here for so many years. You think you think I don't know when shit smells funny? Crazy, man. I don't know. I know. I know when it smells funny. [14:47] I'm going to do this because I like them. I'm going to I'm going to do this because I like them. I like the work that I got to give a shout out to to Jeff. You know what? I'm going to give a shout out to Jeff. He's been working super hard on this. And I just kind of like it. I'm just going to hold it. I don't know what the fuck happens, but I'm going to hold it because this really never been a runner. And and and this currently, obviously, this current market has no liquidity. So, not much is going to happen. But right now, but bull market comes and that's when things will start popping off. But let's let's I'll go ahead and do this because I know how hard you guys are working and I want to acknowledge it. For real. Let's go ahead and put it up. [15:37] Unfor Here's the here's the unfortunate part. I'm going to tell you what the unfortunate part is. So, I said, you know what? I'm going to do a show also. I think I'm going to do one tonight from YouTube. I'm going to do one tonight from YouTube. Because I want to go ahead and break I want to break down what people are doing. Okay? So, shout out to shout out to Jeff because Jeff is working his ass. I'm not saying nobody else is, but Jeff is really like, he's about this. Like he he loves this. Loves this. So, let's talk about it. [16:18] Here I I'm going to tell you what happened I'm going to tell you what happened here that messed everything up. I went into it. So, I'm going to apologize to you guys. I went and bought this on FOMO. And this gave the animals an opportunity. The animals got an opportunity to front run, okay? So, I'm going to apologize. I got in, the animals got in, and they obviously have collected supply. And every single time this thing tries to go up, they just dump. So, that's why I don't I know longer, like I said, I no longer I use FOMO to go ahead and show you guys what I think is popping. And if the shit and if anything that I'm in is over $2 million, that's when I talk about it. But yeah, like something like this, I I have to apologize to the community. I'm sorry that I went in because there are assassins that are just waiting to make money by dumping and dumping and then they point the finger. So, yeah, Satoshi, I don't know why we haven't had a real Satoshi runner into the billions. I have no clue. And this is peer to Bitcoin. So, like I mean, it does make sense. Like, take me out of the equation. Look, you see like I'm laughing. Hold on. You got to see my grin. I'm only laughing because it's the truth. If I was not in this, I'm telling you, if I was not in this shit, this shit would be at like 3, 4, 5 mil. Like, unquestionably, that's where it'd be. But because I went in, and people got their notifications on, they're like, yo, we're going in quickly. Grab up supply. Seek and destroy him. [18:20] Now, first I was kind of You know what? I I'm not going to front. First I was kind of pissed off like with the Auggie shit and then with the fucking dumb money stuff, right? First I was pissed. I was like, what the fuck? Here I am. I want to rally people. I want to build. And then I forget. I'm like, yo, even though 90% I would say my margins are higher than that, but even though 90% of the community loves me and supports me, has been with me forever. It's the 10% that are just like, yo, they smile, but they go in and they grab and they wait and then they point. I'm so like again, I'm used to it. But this is this has been crazy behavior. This is like this is crazy. You know what I should have done? I got to I got to tell you. I I think about it now. I should have actually, for the shit that I'm getting now, for trying to and it's not from a lot of people. Like most people understand and I can show clips here. I was actually looking at clips from three years ago. Clips of me talking about rallying behind one token, rallying behind the move like I've talked about these things forever. [19:40] I was thinking about this though. I was like, yo, why? Why? Why should I satisfy people that are going to end up hating me for no reason? They're going to dump on my forehead and then dislike me like the few of them, the few clowns. I could have gone with the VCs. What am I doing? Why am I? Why am I why am I fighting for any of this shit when I can easily fuck with the VCs? And you know what? I'm thinking about that now. I'm actually thinking of pulling the whole Hogan NWA move or NWO, excuse me. And just saying, fuck it. Yo, what up, Ansom? What up, LA Vay? Kabal? Let's let's hey, let's let's let's have a conversation. Let's fuck it. Let's run it. What the fuck am I doing? I was thinking about that, but you know, everybody knows, everybody knows that is not DG. That's not how I roll. Even though I might have had a thought. That's not how I roll. [20:53] But yeah, there you go. I I thought I thought that's cool. Uh and and and I hope that it wins out. And I and I again, I wanted to make I wanted to apologize. I wanted to apologize that I went in on FOMO with my front facing account and and caused this. Because obviously, we know how it goes down. We know how it goes down. It's unfortunate. But it is what it is. What else is out there that's popping? Let's go ahead and look. What else is what's doing good? What what's actually doing good? [21:30] Trending. I don't really know. Look look at this. Everything's at 500k, 1.4, 1.1, like there 285k. I'm telling you nothing is really doing numbers because there's no money. And people are tired. There's no money and people are tired. That's what it is. There's no money and people are tired. [22:05] It's true. It's way too rotational, man. It's way too rotational. We weren't it was never this rotational. Never was it this rotational as it is today. It wasn't like this. It was way more we will hold, let's see this whole thing through. That's what it was. Not this. It wasn't this. And it wasn't it wasn't so toxic either. I and the toxicity only comes from social media is toxic. And obviously now you combine crypto and the rotation is making people absolutely tired and exhausted and people don't even know what to go into anymore. And then people don't want to go into things that are in the millions because they're like, man, I want to get into something cheaper that's 50k. Forget about 2 million or 3 million. I want the 50k because everybody's trying to obviously get into something that is lower in terms of entry point to make that 1000x. Those people are going to lose. You're going to have to go into something that's 5 million, you know, 5 million, 10 million, 15 million, like we were accustomed to doing. People had no problem going into Pepe at 20 million, 30 million, 100 million, 200 million. Same with Doge Coin, same with Shiba. We had no problem doing that. [23:38] This current this current generation has the problem. This current generation absolutely has a problem with doing that. It's tough. It's tough, but that's the gambling aspect. That is the gambling aspect of the space. And I don't even blame I don't really blame the people for it. I think that, you know what? When you're in a particular when you're in a particular atmosphere, you become that. Like you're in a particular environment, you become that environment. Okay? You just become that environment. I'm reading an email and I'm scared to click it, man. I I hate links, man. I hate links. Absolutely. By the way, Hunter Biden is joining us at 2:00 PM Eastern Time. And we'll talk obviously about laptop. We'll get into that. We'll have a conversation. We'll talk about midterms. We'll talk about who knows what the hell we'll talk about. We'll have fun. We'll be informative. We'll be educational. I'm sure people will have fun. Have fun listening in. [24:54] But yeah, like right now, my advice, honestly, my advice is go into things that have long-term multi-cycle multi-cycle vibes to them. That's it. Go into things that have devs that will stay around for the life of the life of the token, life of the project. You can either be a trader and you can rotate out of everything, in and out, in and out, as fast as you can. Which you're going to wear out. I'll tell you right now, you will be worn out if that's the if that's the route you choose to go, you will be absolutely worn out. You will be so worn out and the market will absolutely especially in the bull market, everything will look insanely difficult for you to figure out. Like that that's it. That's bottom line. It'll look insanely difficult for you guys to figure out the markets. Come the bull market. That's why I keep saying like there is an opportunity.

[Part 6 of 11] [00:00] for the next 30 to 90 days. In my opinion, 30 to 90 days, you have the opportunity to figure out what to back. What are good projects? What are projects that you're interested in going into? Why you're interested in going into them? Who's leading them? What's being built? What's different about this project than the other project? These are the things that you'll need to go ahead and figure out. And it's easier right now to position yourself to win than it is in a bull market. And I say this and I've said this for years upon years upon years, it was it is difficult even for the veterans, it is difficult to figure it out. Because when the green is popping off, no matter how patient you are, no matter how much research you've done, when those green candles are popping, there's something inside of you that makes you go into something at its very top. And that's where people lose and become community members and angry at the world. Is when they hit the top. And they become the only people in the Telegram groups. I'll say though, back in previous cycles, I'll say this though. Nobody abandoned their projects. Like the devs did not leave. For the most part, they worked it the entire cycle. And they tried to make them multi-cycle memes, but unfortunately, it didn't work out for some. For some others it did. Look, there are plenty of projects that continue to work today. Floki continues to work today. I'm giving you Floki as an example because they haven't stopped. They haven't stopped working. People don't talk about Floki a lot. Floki isn't mentioned as much as it was in previous cycles, but they continue to work. And maybe just maybe during this cycle, this next bull cycle, it'll pop off. And again, you don't have to like any of these projects or not. A lot of you guys are here for money. 100% here for money. You're here for gains. You don't give a fuck about the tech. You don't give a freaking fuck about what the plan is for said asset. You don't care about the meme. You care about gains. Good for you. Acknowledge it though. Acknowledge it. But that's like one that's one meme that you can go ahead and look at and say like, hey, man, like that meme has worked through multiple cycles. Even Baby Dogecoin. Even Baby Dogecoin is still working. No matter the market cap. I know people ask me, yo, the IP thing. Everybody's getting IP. Great. Phenomenal. But you see even like even Troll. Is Troll really supposed to be at the current number that it's at? No. Troll should be higher. Troll is a meme that everybody knows. People everybody uses Troll to go ahead and meme their friends or just comment on a subject. But there's no liquidity. There's just no liquidity. Bobo has the IP. Bobo has IP. What is it good for though? There's no liquidity. There's no liquidity in the in in the industry right now. People are here's the here's the problem. People have already made their bets. They've already gone into something. So they've made their bet already. They've gone into something. They're already in something. They're probably over leverage into that something because they believe in it. So there's no money from that. They're not willing to go ahead and take out money and and go elsewhere. And then you have retail still hasn't come in here. So you anybody who's or any liquidity that you see is just the it's coming from the rotational shit. Institutions are not pouring money into the meme economy. They'll pour money into RWAs. That's why I keep on saying, it's either going to be the memes or people are going to rotate out of the memes and say, you know what? This time around, we're going to be trading tokenized stocks. That's what's going to happen. I'm telling you, I I see it, man. I see what's going to happen. I'm trying to front run all this stuff. I'm legitimately trying to front run the market. Especially with the bull cycle that's coming, I'm trying to front run. We'll be right back after this commercial break. Hopefully, we'll have Hunter Biden on and we'll get to talking about laptop, crypto, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, and also maybe we'll touch on the midterms and see what he thinks where we're going. [00:46] What first got you excited about blockchains? Think about it. Oh, wait. I bet it wasn't multi-million dollar hacks, exposed data, finding somewhere safe to store your seed phrase. Was it? Maybe it was the idea of decentralizing a broken financial system. Maybe it was imagining a world where people own their own data and get to share in the value it creates. Or maybe it was the promise of a fundamentally better way of connecting, communicating and transacting. The next phase of the internet that empowers us instead of exploiting us. So why hasn't it happened yet? Where we're still living with the same broken system that blockchains promised to fix. It's because blockchains can't keep a secret. Enabling open transparent systems was only the first half of the challenge. For blockchains to really change the world, they also have to be able to protect our sensitive data when it matters. And that's why we build Midnight to bring down the final barrier to mass adoption and unlock the full potential of the decentralized web. Let's build the internet we deserve. Together. [01:06] Ladies and gentlemen, we all know this in crypto, ownership matters. That's why Cake Wallet. Cake Wallet gives you full control of your digital assets all in one easy to use application. You can store Bitcoin, Litecoin, Zcash, Monero, and many more with just one secure backup. Swap between coins in seconds. No copying addresses, no complicated steps, and even includes Bitcoin Lightning for faster payments. And with Cake Wallet built in, you can use crypto in real life through debit cards or gift cards. Simple, secure, self-custody. Download Cake Wallet and take control of your crypto. [01:48] This is Houston. T minus one minute until full data blackout. All eyes are on you. Breaking news. There is an astronaut conducting an emergency repair on a global communication satellite that could go dark at any moment. We have a second angle on this. Is that guy on FOMO? Oh, let me for a crazy trader. Yeah, let's get back to it everybody. This just in. According to the astronaut's FOMO account, highest in the world. The satellite has been restored. Yes. For now, the crisis appears to be over. Satellite's up and running. Positions look good too. [02:37] There we go. United States of America representing. Socialism does not work. Digital assets is a better to move money at the speed of light. People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I am here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. I am the modern day Tony Stark. [02:59] There we go. United States of America representing. Socialism does not work. Digital assets is a better to move money at the speed of light. People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. I am here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. I am the modern day Tony Stark. [03:25] Welcome back. Let's look at the markets real quick as we wait for Hunter to come on to the show. Uh, let's go ahead and look here. I want to see what the markets look like right now. Landy's bullish. When Landy came on earlier, he was like, I'm bullish, I'm bullish. Let's go ahead and uh, let's go ahead and look. So Bitcoin, everything's green right now. Everything's green, unlike what it was yesterday and into the night. Um, going back and forth, choppy here. Uh, I think Landy expects us to go down. I know that. I think Landy is expecting us to go down. He just doesn't want to say it. I don't know. I don't think Landy's scared to go ahead and say that we're going to go down. I don't think Landy's the type to be worried about the opinions of the masses if he were to say, hey, I think we're going to 40K. Landy's the type to go ahead and say that we're going to 40K Bitcoin. And you know what? If we went to $40,000 Bitcoin, I am so down. Give me $40,000 Bitcoin. Give me $50,000 Bitcoin. I mean, we had Lark Davis on yesterday who says, in his opinion, he doesn't see us going, you know, getting close to 57K. Uh, you can rewind that show or you can go and tune into Apple podcasts or Spotify and uh, check out that show from yesterday. Landy, I I think Landy's still in his heart with all his all his homies. I think they believe, I think they truly believe that Bitcoin could possibly go under the $57,000 mark. I believe that wholeheartedly. 100%. And if it did, like I said, I'd buy. Because that means Solana will go down also. And I'd I'd want to grab up on Solana. That's one thing that I made sure to do. That is one thing I made sure to do. I I was talking about this on spaces. I said, I think Solana is super underrated, especially from the point of view of having they legitimately have ownership of the meme trader economy. And I'm like, the more people that start jumping onto Solana, the better. And I'm like, look, even the president, even the president himself went Solana. Not Ethereum, but Solana. Trump is on Solana. Everybody's going to Solana. So what do you think? Well, Solana's going to appreciate. That's why I made the move. I I I didn't think it was I I didn't think it was anything crazy. I didn't think it was anything crazy. Because people were like, yo, why would you go into I had a lot of people say, why did you go into or why would you allocate so much money into Solana? Let's bring up Solana here. Why would you allocate so much money into Solana? Solana's at 107. 109. Like this is Solana was at like almost 100 and what, 122? I I listen, we might now I now I got to look at this. Could we go down one more time? Into the 90s. 109 Solana could potentially go backwards. Could potentially have that pullback that people have been waiting for. But when people ask me, why did you go into Solana? I said, easy choice. You have all the major names, notable names going onto Solana. You have teams that are moving away from Ethereum, going onto Solana. Even Pepe got excited when you could pair Pepe with Solana. They even got excited. They even got excited. They were thrilled. They were absolutely thrilled. You know, it's Solana is easier to operate. That's the thing. And and that's what it's that's what it's always been about in crypto. The argument has always been it's difficult to operate crypto for somebody who's just coming in. It's difficult for somebody to get into crypto with the current setup. It's expensive to get in to a play because you have to pay certain fees. That was always the biggest grade. There was a point in 2021 where like, okay, you were in profit, let's say 500 grand. And your and your gas fee, the transaction, the whole thing, it's like, holy crap. I'm paying, hold on, $5, $6, $7, $8,000. In order to get out. In order to pull gains out. That's what was happening. And people how much how many people went into the other side? You could have got the other side as long as you were holding a board ape or mutant ape. You could have got other side the ability to get it for free. But the gas fees were crazy. You were paying an arm and a leg. That's why when you look at Solana, like it's hard for the Solana maxis and and people who have traded on Solana to make their way over to make their way over to something like Ethereum because of all the fees and the technical work to go ahead and participate on there. Now, will Robinhood make it easier? Will Base make it easier? I'm not going to count them out. 100% Robinhood is going to make it easier to go ahead and trade, but you still have fees. And Solana bros and even people in general who have been in the space through multiple cycles, they don't want fees. You should not be charged more than your own the you shouldn't be charged more fees than your own bank would charge you. Then e-trade, TDE, whatever it is. Whoever it is, whoever you trade with, their fees aren't as much as what you were doing on Ethereum. That was wild. That was absolutely wild. So that's why it was an easy bet. And you got to look at platforms. You really have to look at protocols that make it easy to onboard. Where the wallet is easy to integrate with the protocol. Where the wallet is just an easy experience. You feel safe using the wallet. That's where your protocol wins when you design apps for the protocol. When you entice builders to build on a protocol. It's true, man. Like the amount of people were paying more I got I I I fuck I fuck with that. People were paying more in fees. More in fees. Paid more in fees. Then they were getting back in profit. Even though they were showing profit. That's the crazy part. How many people on Ethereum were getting charged? I remember there were transactions that were absolutely crazy where people would would would try to pull out profit and the gas fee would hit the the would hit them at I I think it was like $100, $200, $300,000. There were there were times where people got absolutely destroyed just because they were pulling out profit. It's crazy. I remember how long it took to process. The process where like, are you going to speed this up? Remember the speeds? Oh my I feel like I'm talking ancient talk right now. Solana bros are right now not anybody who has started their journey on Solana, they have no clue what the hell I'm talking about. So there was a point on Metamask where you could select slow, medium, fast to have your transaction go faster. But even fast had you waited for 24 minutes. And then the and then the and then you had to pay more for it. TikTok is probably gone because I obviously, you know how TikTok operates. No, TikTok is up. TikTok is up. There are people talking in the chat. I wish people can see the TikTok people talking in this chat. Hold on one second, guys. We're trying to get Hunter on here. Hold on. Let me just send back message. I I I think Hunter so I I I'm going to tell you what's going on right now. There was two time slots, either 11:00 a.m. or 12:00 a.m., but that's for Pacific time. I think the confusion is happening. I think I already know where the confusion is happening. I think Hunter is or will be on in the next half an hour. I I just have a feeling Hunter probably thought, it's either two because it's Pacific time. It's either he has it for either has it slotted for 2:00 p.m. Pacific time, which would mean 5:00 p.m. my time. Or it's the 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. situation. So we we will wait here. I'm I'm obviously talking with uh with Hunter's uh agency and and they're really they've been really good. Uh shout out to them. Really nice people. But we will wait here. This I I love reading the chat. I just said something and I I'm absolutely laughing because it has nothing to do with me on my side. Anyway, any who, why why do I I I'm closing out the chat by the way. I'm closing out the chat. So when Hunter comes here and this is what I do for all my guests, we cannot see the chat. So let the chat do what the chat wants to do, but it won't be visible to when me and Hunter have the conversation when Hunter comes on and we talk about again, we talk about the the laptop token. Shout out to the people on TikTok. Shout out to the moderators that are on TikTok. Shout out to Tech. Thank you, Tech. I know you're out there. I know you are out there. What do you mean I was laughing? What are you talking about? I will just text you because I got video evidence of you laughing. What do you mean? What are you laughing at? What? Kill Patterson, what are you talking about? What? Oh, okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. Uh, all right, Solana, again, what I'm saying, he probably laughed too, man. I don't give a shit. I I laughed. It was my dad. Uh, 109 Solana, is it a buy? What do we see this weekend? Uh that's one thing that people uh ask me, what do we see this weekend? Guys, like again, I'm talking about this whole week. This entire week, we did not have the liquidity. It it like disappeared. The liquidity disappeared. The only thing that you could be hoping for is that it's kind of like when the ocean disappears and then all of a sudden a huge wave comes storming onto the island. That a tsunami comes during the weekend and things start going parabolic.

[Part 7 of 11] [David] [00:01] But I like boring. [00:04] I got to tell you, I like, I like it sometimes when the market goes quiet. [00:12] Because then I can look and reassess what I have in my port. [00:20] What, okay, let let me let me clarify something for obviously the delusional. [00:26] This dude didn't know Hunter Biden was no the West side. [00:31] So now this person, the grammar is completely all over the place. [00:35] So let me explain something. [00:38] Of course I knew and my staff knew that Hunter is on the West Coast. [00:42] I just said if you replay the tape, I know it's hard for you to listen. [00:47] I've I've run into this trouble this cycle. [00:49] It's it's hard for people to understand things and words that I'm saying here. [00:57] I said it's funny because the two the two numbers that were given to Hunter or even to me were 11 or 12, 11 or 12, 11:00 a.m. or 12:00 p.m. PT. [01:16] That's exactly what I said. [01:18] And here you have the crew. [01:24] The crew of low IQ. [01:27] in and having combos. [01:31] Anyway, welcome to the breakdown. [01:33] Episode 801. [01:39] Hunter Biden is in the green room. [01:41] I'm going to give him a minute to go ahead and situate himself, obviously. [01:46] Um, I don't want to bring him on and he's just not ready. [01:51] I hate when people do that to me. [01:53] The shows throw me on and stuff. [01:55] I'm like, oh my God, give me a second. [01:59] Give me a second. [02:00] Anyway, uh, let's get right to it. [02:02] I I talked about Solana. [02:04] Solana's at 109. [02:06] It's something that you can look at and say, you know what? [02:08] It is something that I would definitely get into. [02:11] Uh, let me go ahead and take a drink cuz and this is water, sponsor soon. [02:22] All right. [02:23] Let's get going. [02:24] I know the people have been here for Hunter. [02:26] They're screaming at me. [02:28] Hunter, man, they they are screaming. [02:31] They are screaming at me. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [02:34] I'm sorry, guys. [02:35] I really I apologize. [02:37] I was um uh I'm I'm I live up here on this hill and we don't have any mobile reception and I have Starlink and so you can blame Elon. [02:45] My Starlink went out. [02:46] Sorry. [David] [02:47] Elon. [02:48] Yeah. [02:49] Come on, Elon. [02:50] Yeah. [02:50] Do better, man. [02:51] Anybody got his number? [02:52] I got to call him. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [02:54] Yeah. [David] [02:54] Hunter, how's it going, man? [02:55] How's everything? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [02:56] I'm not going well. [02:57] Hanging in there, ma'am. [02:58] Thank you for asking. [David] [03:00] Um, just want to before we get started, how's how's your dad doing? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [03:04] Oh, I appreciate that. [03:05] He's doing okay. [03:06] He uh uh, you know, the the the he's got great results from the the prostate cancer part of it with the with the metastatic bone cancer. [03:15] I'll have to live with the rest of his life, but he's on um this treatment, which is not not fun, but it it's uh he's responding well to it. [03:23] So I appreciate that. [03:24] Thank you for asking. [David] [03:26] Good. [03:26] I wanted to know that. [03:27] Uh obviously, regardless of political views, I just, you know, at the end of the day, you know, want to see and make sure that, you know, obviously he lives life to the fullest. [03:35] So, good to hear that. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [03:37] Thank you. [03:37] Thank you for that. [03:38] I appreciate it. [03:39] I appreciate it. [David] [03:41] So let's talk about laptop because they're chewing my ear off and we'll talk about other subjects. [03:45] I'll try to, you know, obviously I know I have 30, 40 minutes here with you. [03:49] Uh you're a busy guy. [03:51] Laptop, where did the idea come from? [03:53] Like I I know you're in Bitcoin, I know you're in crypto. [03:57] What did the idea of laptop come into play? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [04:00] Well, that you know, my whole interest in in cryptocurrency, which I've talked about before and I think people have heard, you know, I I was um uh orange pill, you know, I read the internet of money. [04:10] I I I don't own any um uh Bitcoin, unfortunately. [04:13] I do take Bitcoin for payment for my uh for my art though. [04:18] And um and that was another avenue, by the way, into uh NFTs and art and um and the blockchain. [04:25] Uh and all of my um all of my art is on uh Bear Art and and on the blockchain. [04:32] Um, but the reason of meme coin is because, number one, I don't think there's anybody in this country that um uh that has gotten or maybe not uh anybody, but I I think a very few other people that have gotten as much unwarranted, unwanted attention over the course of the last uh five years. [04:49] And uh and all around this quote unquote Hunter Biden's laptop. [04:55] And I thought that there would be a cool way to be able to take what they turned into a billion dollar business, um and I mean the media organizations that literally made, we did a calculation of over like nine and a half billion dollars of clickbait because of the laptop. [05:07] And use it as a troll from my perspective against the max extractors and the max extractor in chief, Donald Trump and his family. [05:15] And that to me was a um a legitimate uh reason to do it and to be able to show that you could launch a coin that did the exact opposite opposite of max extraction, where instead of 80% for the team, you get 30% and uh you give away 20% of the coin in airdrops. [05:33] Uh you have this first ever of its kind, unique prediction market built into the um in into the infrastructure of the coin in which if the event occurs that I predict, then uh that percentage of the coin gets burnt. [05:47] If you uh if it doesn't uh occur, then that percentage of the coin goes to the additional um money into the 5% minimum uh charity bucket for things that I care about deeply. [05:59] And so, that is the entire intention around the coin. [06:03] Now, the launch was fucked up and the launch was fucked up in the first um uh we just put out a big report that was done by an organization called Groom Lake. [06:11] Um, and there was just insufficient liquidity in the in the pool um that was uh uh done by the uh market makers who I can't name and the reason I can't name them is uh because our contracts have a confidentiality clause. [06:26] But people can go figure it out on chain. [06:28] It's not very difficult to be able to look at. [06:30] But the whole idea is that I believe that you could do this a different way. [06:34] And that's what we're doing. [06:36] And you know, we launched at 50 uh 50 million FTV at 5 cents and that's up to and it's at 8 cents right now. [06:44] And um and I think that we can continue to grow. [06:47] And and I really do. [06:48] I think that the message that you know, number one is this, is that I this isn't like some unique thing. [06:56] I I am uh one of what 10 million meme coins out there. [07:01] And a and and this idea that this is kind of like uh uh, you know, backwater alternative part of the, you know, uh, you know, Web 3 is from my estimation and my experience now in the in the industry and in crypto community, it's not. [07:15] Um, it it tokenization is is something that is um uh that I think is the the uh the future. [07:24] And I don't think it's the future. [07:25] It's not like I'm coming up with any um uh particularly in this audience like telling you guys anything, but I believe in it and I truly believe in it. [07:33] And I thought, you know, nobody in my of my political persuasion. [07:38] And I, you know, I I and I get offended when people call me, you know, like a, you know, a Democrat or I or or only but for this reason, is that I think I've moved beyond that, like so many of us have moved beyond that. [07:51] I want, I want, um, I want thoughtful answers to our our actual problems and not a bunch of fucking bullshit that we've been hearing for so long. [08:02] Um, and uh and scapegoating. [08:05] And and I believe that fundamentally cryptocurrency, the blockchain is an an answer to so many of those problems. [08:14] Um, and that are uh the things that I care about. [08:17] And the way that I got into cryptocurrency and read internet of money and was um and so intrigued by it was this idea that the democratization of financial instruments of the um uh of the millions and millions and millions of people that are unbanked and locked out of a system that um that they have no way of entering or getting into. [08:38] From literally subsistence farmers in in in uh sub-Saharan Africa when I worked at the World Food program to itinerant workers here in Southern California that um are here legally but sending money home to um uh to their families, but have to pay, you know, a 10 to 15% usury charge because of uh Western Union and they um know have no opportunity to enter into the banking system that, you know, we all enjoy. [09:04] And so, that's where um and that's why I um uh launched the coin and that's the message of it. [09:11] Is number one, for particularly this audience, a bunch of people that call themselves a bunch of Dgens. [09:15] I I know that they can uh they can relate to my experience in some way. [09:21] Um, maybe not um sitting in a motel room smoking crack, but um, you know, but I've been sober and clean and sober since 2019 and and I always say to anybody, you can ask me anything. [09:32] Ask me anything about this coin, ask me anything about my life, ask me anything about my business. [09:37] And I think that um this gives me a whole new audience to be able to talk to, even though they beat the shit out of me all the time on on X, but, you know, I'm not I'm I'm sticking in there. [David] [09:48] If you got a brand, welcome to the club, right? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [09:50] Yeah, exactly. [09:51] That's what I've learned. [David] [09:53] If you're if you want to be out there, they got the sticks ready for you. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [09:57] Uh that's that's for sure. [09:58] That's for sure. [09:59] But I'm used to it. [10:00] I really am. [10:01] That's the thing and it's and and truthfully the the true thing about uh that I've learned through all of my experiences is is it it's uh it may sound trite, but it's not whether or not you fall down, man. [10:12] It's how you get back up. [10:13] And as it relates to the token, I would challenge anybody that is giving me shit about this is, you know, is being just another celebrity token. [10:22] Have you ever seen any other celebrities that had a shit launch or that did what they did and that has remained out there, has gone on every show that will have them on, that is going to talk about it and it's going to say, I'm I'm you're stuck with me um whether you want me or not. [10:34] And I know probably a lot of people in the comments right now are are saying not, but you're stuck with me. [David] [10:41] Uh, a lot of celebrities that do come into this space, they they're in and out, they're out. [10:47] And, you know, I don't think [Guest: Hunter Biden] [10:49] They disappear. [10:49] I mean, look at the Trump token. [10:50] I mean, Trump himself, he doesn't have any idea what's going on with this token. [10:53] He put, you know, 2.9 billion into his pocket and 2.9 billion out of uh, you know, his uh um his most ardent followers. [11:01] I mean, it's just bullshit, man. [11:03] Yeah. [David] [11:04] Well, I I think it's a it's a free market. [11:06] I think we'll disagree. [11:07] I it's a free market. [11:08] It's kind of like when I heard you coming into this space, so I'll say this because I had a I have a different question, I'll ask it. [11:14] Um, when I heard when you you made such a comeback. [11:18] Like I'll say it from my perspective, you made a comeback publicly to where like, you know, like I I I even saw it on social media. [11:25] People were trying to like engage with you and still are, but they were trying to engage with you and like trying to talk with you. [11:32] And I think as soon as you said you're coming out with laptop, people like, I'm sure you saw it, but people like, don't do it. [11:38] Don't do it. [11:39] Like cuz everything can go wrong. [11:41] Like it'll go up and people will just judge you based on the chart. [11:45] It goes up and then as soon as it goes down, you are now the villain. [11:49] People are coming after you, they're going to ask you, did you take? [11:52] Did you profit? [11:53] etc, etc. [11:54] My whole thing is, if you had a chance to step back with with laptop. [11:58] And again, it's a free market. [11:59] You could do whatever the hell you want to do. [12:01] That's the whole point of crypto. [12:02] The whole point of it was to give people a free market to tokenize oneself. [12:08] Would you have sought out some of the some of the greatest talent that we have here in the crypto space to put together laptop differently? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [12:19] No, and I I I I I understand your question is this, is that I don't think fundamentally the problem was with the um the the tokenomics and the and the um the structure of laptop. [12:31] I'm positive that was not the problem with it. [David] [12:33] So it's the market maker. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [12:35] 100%. [12:36] And you can see it on the chart, man. [12:38] And you can see it as it relates to the tokenomics, the the transparency of this. [12:42] You can go look at our micro report, you can go look at the Groom Lake report. [12:46] You can look at everything inside this and I will answer every question that I possibly can um as it relates to it. [12:53] We when I started this off, we went to the best law firm in the country that has launched, I don't know how many um uh tokens in in the past. [13:01] We went to the best advi one of the best advisory firms in in in the country. [13:06] We went to the biggest market makers that we were told were like, you know, the Goldman Sachs of the industry. [13:12] And we went to Coinbase. [13:15] And the entire um uh uh intent was we were launching on Coinbase. [13:20] And the reason that we were launching on Coinbase is to avoid a lot of this bullshit. [13:25] Uh to launch on a centralized exchange and the inherent problems of being on a decentralized exchange. [13:30] And if you remember, is that if I was just going to launch on a central a decentralized exchange, I obviously would not have announced um uh without any ability to respond uh the um the launch of the token 48 hours in advance. [13:45] And then the quiet period that I have to go through is because we had a Coinbase listing. [13:50] And then what happened is literally crypto Twitter tore me apart. [13:57] And it gave cold feet to OKX, to Binance, and but more than Robin Hood, more than anybody though, it uh or what I viewed as our partner in this. [14:09] And I understand. [14:10] I'm not criticizing Coinbase for saying, hey, we're going to wait a day and see what happens. [14:16] And so, that is, you know, like we our tokenomics were developed to directly in in in concert in consultation with Coinbase. [14:25] And when they pulled the listing like eight eight hours before, my I have to say is that I wish I had just waited at that point. [14:37] But then you're caught in this catch 22. [14:39] Are you fucking with people announcing that you're going to launch a a token and then pulling it at the last second? [14:45] And then what happens? [14:46] Do you get back a centralized exchange listing? [14:48] How do you how do you do that? [14:50] And I was told by the market makers they could handle it. [14:53] Look, we gave the market makers uh um uh uh [David] [14:57] Wait, so Coinbase was supposed to list this, Hunter? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [15:01] 100%. [15:02] Yes. [15:02] Yeah. [15:02] And I by the way, really. [15:03] I mean, I I'm a big fan of Brian Armstrong. [15:05] I'm a big fan of Coinbase. [15:06] Um I and I think that they've done great work as it relates to the regulatory and um and the things that they've been proposing and and the business that they have built. [15:15] I I am. [15:16] I know a lot of people are not, but I but I am. [15:19] And they were great. [15:20] And and and I and I fully understand the cold feet that they got at the last at the last second. [15:26] But as I said, is obviously I would not have put a bullseye on my head without an ability to respond 48 hours before a launch. [15:35] I mean, just for the for the pure purpose of like given, you know, uh snipers a 48-hour, you know, um uh you know, advance um notice. [15:44] And so, that is the only thing that I did not um uh that I didn't fully appreciate. [15:49] And I didn't fully appreciate it because of this. [15:52] Because we were told that by by 100% legitimate market makers, okay? [15:58] I mean, best in the business, supposedly. [16:01] Is with uh 15 million tokens for the centralized for a decentralized exchange, um uh liquidity along with a half a million dollars in cash in order to be able to um uh handle the buy and sell. [16:15] For whatever you think about me or you think about the token, for a token that was going to get more attention than any other token launch in 2026, is that you would put in at least 50% of the um uh of the cash into the into the liquidity pool, right? [16:31] Maybe maybe you'd go down to 30%. [16:34] You could possibly even go down to to 10% and put in 50,000. [16:39] They put in at launch $5,000 and less than 30,000 tokens. [16:47] 29,000. [David] [16:47] Why? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [16:48] Yeah. [16:48] I've asked them why. [16:49] I've asked them why. [16:50] But look, man, [David] [16:51] What's the answer to that though? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [16:52] Their answer they they have no answer. [16:55] Their answer is you don't understand market making. [16:57] So here's what I have to say. [16:58] So if I don't like I yesterday or uh two days ago we put out the uh the full report, the the um the independent report from Groom Lake, my executive summary explanation of it, and I did a whole like 14-point um, you know, Twitter thread of of what's in that report. [17:16] And then put it all online. [17:17] And I, you know what I got back from people? [17:20] Is I, oh, you're just, you know, you're you're you're you're passing off the blame to market makers because you don't understand what market makers are. [17:27] So I have a question. [17:28] Go read the report and tell me. [17:30] You explain it to me. [17:32] You explain how that is market making. [17:34] And so, my only um uh uh point is is that that artificial, as you know, and everybody that's listening to this, they have if if people got to this show, they know what the fuck I'm talking about or have at least some understanding of what they're talking about. [17:48] Is they know this. [17:49] There is no reality in $317 billion market cap. [17:53] Have any coin ever gone to $317 billion market cap that I that you know of? [17:58] Ever? [David] [17:59] Listen, we're not we're talking about just memes, no. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [18:03] No, no meme token that I can that that we have been able to find ever. [18:08] And the reason is is because of the artificial liquidity pool of $5,000. [18:15] A $6 purchase, a $6 buy pressure put increased the market cap by 5%. [18:23] And then do the math exponentially within three, I think it was in two minutes, the the the the token went from 50 million FTV to a $317 billion market cap. [18:35] And then within 10 minutes, it fell all the way down. [18:38] And then they pulled all the money out of the liquidity pool. [18:41] And then nobody could buy or sell. [18:43] And then the market makers took out their money, both both market maker one and market maker two, almost to the exact same tune of what was lost by retail investors in that. [18:56] And I'm here basically saying, look, man, my name's fucking on it. [19:00] I'm not going anywhere. [19:01] I obviously have the responsibility to do whatever I can to be able to make it right, but also to tell the fucking true story about it. [19:08] And I it's not like it's not like, hey man, take my word for it. [19:12] Like, you know, nobody got any money on the side. [19:14] It's all on chain, man. [19:16] I had to people online after my explanation with the Groom Lake report come back and say, oh, well, you had side wallets and and and and and uh and and the way that you did it was through the airdrop. [19:30] The airdrop to the substack subscribers. [19:32] Well, if that's true, then why did only 1% of my of of the people that had uh of the uh of the airdrop ever claimed? [19:40] I think it was literally less than 2%, maybe even less than 1% claimed. [19:45] 99% of the people that were air dropped never claimed um uh their tokens. [19:50] And so, if it was if that was the plan, that was the was the worst executed plan on the on on, you know, on the in the history of a token. [19:58] And the only thing that I can do is the proof being in in the pudding. [20:04] The only thing that I can do is the actions that I take from here. [David] [20:08] But what are they are the market makers saying, okay, we're going to make this right? [20:13] Are they sitting here are they sitting here having conversations with you and saying, okay, we fucked up. [20:19] Now we're going to make it right for for you and your name. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [20:23] That's what they said at the that's what they said at the outset and now they're lawyered up. [David] [20:27] Oh. [20:28] So they lawyered up and they left you in this position. [20:31] But but look, I I give you I give you credit because most people just run away. [20:34] They'll run away, never to be heard from again. [20:37] The celebrities, you mentioned celebrities, well, you don't hear from them ever again. [20:41] The only person uh [Guest: Hunter Biden] [20:42] I that's the thing, man, is that I'm not going anywhere and to your point about that is this, is that your original question, like why the fuck do this? [20:51] Like because you have so many examples of how it how how it goes wrong, right? [20:56] And you seem like, you know, maybe not. [21:00] I was about to say you're putting words in your mouth. [21:03] You don't seem like a complete idiot, okay? [21:06] And so here here [David] [21:08] Who has temperature IQ, I'm here. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [21:09] Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? [21:10] You know, I'm I'm putting words in your mouth. [21:13] Is um is this, is that I really, really, really believe that it was like for me, what is the fastest way that I could raise millions of dollars for um uh for recovery and addiction issues? [21:25] What what's the fastest way that I've been able to do that? [21:27] And I also believe this, is that I had the shit beat out of me for fucking seven years of people taking my name in vain, using the attention that was generated by a completely false narrative, you know, linking these things together my addiction and some kind of idea of a Biden crime family through three words, Hunter Biden's laptop. [21:46] And I was going to do the greatest, you know, kind of jujitsu move of all time and reverse it and be able to do it in a way that was at the same time trolling the max extractors and and in particular um the President of the United States. [David] [22:00] You feel like the political you feel like politically and mainstream media weaponized the mainstream media uh networks to go ahead and and make you really look bad for the last seven years? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [22:12] Oh, I look, man. [22:13] I was the most I was the third most spoken about person on Fox News for four years for at least three of the four years straight. [22:21] And just take take think about that. [22:23] To what end? [22:24] To what end? [22:25] Not a single look, man. [22:27] I I always say about the laptop is this. [22:31] What is the what what number one, what's on your laptop? [22:34] Okay? [22:35] And and I mean to anybody, I'm not talking about you, okay? [22:38] And and the other thing is this though, is that so what do you think it proves? [22:42] All these conspiracy theories and all of these ideas of the Biden crime family and, you know, and all and and corruption and all of that. [22:50] There is not a single communication and by the way, it's not a laptop, man. [22:54] It is my phone. [22:55] It over years. [22:57] It's 22 years of my digital footprint. [23:00] Every single thing, everything. [23:02] And by the way, the story just came out that um organization, the uh Russian oxygen, you know, um uh uh that that uh anyways, it's a long story. [23:10] Is that these guys literally got into everything. [23:14] It wasn't about a single laptop. [23:16] It wasn't about a single iPhone. [23:18] It was my entire iCloud. [23:20] It was everything. [23:21] There was more data that can fit on any hard drive. [23:24] And it was dumped and distributed. [23:26] And and what did it show? [23:28] It showed someone that had a um a gone through a three-year period of their life in deep, dark addiction. [23:35] And which I was, you know, I mean and and you know, had all the photographic evidence of me smoking crack in motel rooms with um, you know, with prostitutes and things like that. [23:46] And, you know, I own all that. [23:48] And I don't know many people in my position who are willing to come out and talk about the deepest, darkest part of their life, but I don't have any choice. [23:55] And so, my point is, did they weaponize it against me? [23:59] Absolutely. [24:00] They weaponized my addiction by completely dehumanizing me. [24:03] And what they got wrong is this though, is that there's not a person in this country that doesn't have a brother, a mother, a sister, a dad, a best friend that hasn't gone through a really, really hard struggle with addiction. [24:14] And I'm not saying every one of them, you know, uh, you know, went through what I went through. [24:19] But everybody has somebody that they know that has fallen down in that way and that and and and if they're the lucky ones, they survived and they got up and and and turned their lives around. [24:31] And that's the story I wanted to tell. [24:33] And and and by the way, it remains the story I want to tell. [24:36] And that's the story of this token, by the way. [24:38] They fucked it up and and but I take responsibility for it because it's mine. [24:42] My name's on it. [24:43] I take everything today is this. [David] [24:45] But you have did you have a game plan to go ahead and have the ultimate comeback with the token? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [24:51] Oh, 100%. [24:52] And so right now, you know, we're going back, we're trying to get on some other exchanges. [24:55] I think that we're going to be able to announce some within this week if not um uh early, I mean, excuse me, next week and um and we have the uh the continued um um uh excuse me, prediction market piece of this. [25:12] We'll continue to burn coins. [25:14] The um we're going to be burning the um uh the the tokens that weren't claimed in the first airdrop. [25:21] And I'm going to stay out there and I'm going to keep talking about it. [25:23] I'm going to go on every show that I possibly can. [25:26] Um, not only for the for the for the health of the of the token, but for the message that I get to carry when I do it. [David] [25:36] You felt like the the I was listening to what you were saying about, you know what, I'll ask that later. [25:43] I'll finish with this. [25:45] It is going to be a hard journey here to win over the crypto community because we've been [Guest: Hunter Biden] [25:49] Oh, by the way. [David] [25:50] You you you should know this cuz [Guest: Hunter Biden] [25:53] Yeah. [25:53] Yes. [David] [25:54] at the end of the day, we've been leg dropped so many times. [25:56] Hulk Hogan came here and leg dropped us. [25:58] You know, God rest his soul, but he came in here, threw out a token, leg dropped us left within a minute's time. [26:05] It was done. [26:06] And so, you know, a lot of people have come here and they've extracted. [26:10] One thing, obviously, I'm I'm really I I

[Part 8 of 11] [00:00] try to be extremely neutral. Uh, I think Trump, you know, whether Trump launched it or his sons or whoever, uh, it's done well. I I I think the focus maybe maybe on Melania, Libra type of thing, but I think Trump token has done well. I know you guys are on two different sides. I'm rooting for No, no, no, no. I'm rooting for everybody to win. At the end of the day, the more No, no, no, no. 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[Part 9 of 11] [David] [00:00] questions though, I got to tell you. Thank you for that. Uh, [David] [00:03] the midterms. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [00:04] Yeah. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [00:05] Sorry. [David] [00:06] I'm going to ask you about that. Uh, what do you see happening here? Right now, Polymarket shows, you know, a sweep for the Democrats. Uh, polling shows a sweep for the Democrats. Do you see that uh panning out? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [00:22] Yeah, I I look, I'm I've been I think we've all been so burned by polling. You know what I mean? I I and I and I have some uh sympathy for the pollsters is that um, they still have a job and they they do it with the tools that they have, but the tools are broken. I mean, it people, you know, like, when when was the last time you answered a poll? You know what I mean? Do you know anybody? I mean, literally, do you know anybody? So, I think just literally by who answers polls, it must be it it skews like, I mean, who who are these people? Like, who answer a fucking random number on their cell phone and answer a fucking poll for 10 minutes. I don't know who those people are. And and they and they and they become a certain type of people and you wonder whether or not we should be polling them at all, you know what I mean? I don't know what IQ you got. Um, but my point being is this, is that by virtue of what the the the kind of the ubiquity of the where the numbers are, yes, the Democrats should um, uh, and um, uh, take both the house and the Senate. However, I don't know if that's going to happen or not. But um, but I I I really caution people in uh in my uh, you know, that that are Democrats is this is no victory for the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is disliked almost as much as Donald Trump. You know what I mean? And you know, and and and and and just has a little bit more of a favorability rating than the Republican Party right now. This is a and by the way, I don't this is not a a vote this is a vote against this current administration's policies as they hit people in the pocketbook. As they literally when, you know, I I I can tell you, is that no matter how much legislation you pass or how many good things you do or the your the the direction of the SEC as it relates to crypto, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If um, if if diesel's at um an average of six $6.50 a gallon and you went to into a war that you promised that you wouldn't and you um, and and you know, and and you didn't release the files that you said you would, you know what I mean? Like people like people are smarter than than I think we all give them credit for. I mean, even ourselves amongst our own neighbors and stuff. [David] [02:41] But you said it yourself, the banking system owns everybody, right? They they make the decisions. You know, [Guest: Hunter Biden] [02:47] Banking system, the pharmaceutical industry, the um, uh, the petrochemical industry, uh, you know, I mean, just go down the list. [David] [02:54] So isn't it hard for a president to get his entire agenda passed when you have these this type of money? 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[Part 10 of 11] [Guest: Hunter Biden] [00:00] But, you know what? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [00:04] Whether or not it was a good precedent or not, what about simply understanding the context on a human level of which it was done? And being left with that choice, my dad made a choice. And I have to say this, is I'm fucking incredibly fucking grateful he did. And to say otherwise, it's like, you know, but I, but I really do. I don't, I, I, I, like, I talk about privilege. I was literally a singular human being whose father could, um, uh, do that for him in that instance at that time. And it's not right. And it wasn't fair, and it's not fair for all the people that, um, probably deserve pardons out there that didn't get them, or that could have gotten them. Um, you can get them now if they pay a little money supposedly. But the, the, you know, the, the fact of the matter is, is that, is that, I don't know. I think people expect that I'm gonna come with an answer that's, um, you know, oh well, let me tell you the reasons why and legally this, that, and the other thing. Fuck, man. It's fucking, you know, it's life. It's like, what am I gonna say? It certainly wasn't good for my dad's legacy. It wasn't good in the immediate aftermath. It's not good for, it's not good for precedents. They're gonna use this and, um, you know, to pardon, he's gonna use this to pardon fucking everybody. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:21] I don't, um, look what you, look what Joe Biden did. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:25] But, you know what? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:27] Presidents are human and their families are too. And, um, and sometimes, you gotta overlook that. If my dad remained president, I know that he would not have pardoned me. You know why he wouldn't have pardoned me? Because he would have had faith in the system. He would have had faith in the Department of Justice and the, in, in the courts that could not be intimidated, that would make the right decision. And, you know, he would have been right, like on the gun charge. The, the Supreme Court last year, um, or this, early this summer, um, in the beginning of the summer, ruled, um, uh, at least part of 922 G3, which I was prosecuted under, unconstitutional. And I think that I would have, um, won an appeal on a lot of things as it relates to the tax crimes. I would never served a, a day in jail. It was a non-violent, um, non-victimless crime, um, in, in both instances. Um, but, you know what? I don't think I would have, uh, that there would have been a day of arrest for any, anybody in my family if I was still under the, the thumb of someone who's made it clear that he is out for revenge and he's out to, to, you know, to take, to take. [David] [2:28] So, I can understand as a him being your father doing that. I think, I think if people put their political beliefs aside, people kind of get that. I think people don't understand Fauci. That's the one that they don't get. [David] [2:44] They don't understand why he pardoned Fauci. That's probably the only one that they don't, like most people when they have, [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:51] I don't know. Where, where are you, by the way? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:54] I know. Where, I'm, I'm, I'm, okay. So, here's what you and I are gonna do, all right? I'm gonna be in New York in the, um, uh, uh, beginning of, uh, December. Um, uh, and, um, you and I are gonna go to lunch. And we'll, and I, I really mean it. And, and, and, and like, bring some of your, bring some people that you, that you love that have, like, that are, you know, not necessarily neutral, that are on the other side. Let's all sit down for a meal. And I really mean it because, because I, like, the one that I don't get, I don't get like, what, what do you mean about, like, because they're going after Fauci. They're gonna put him in prison. And to me, Fauci was a hero. To me, Fauci was somebody that dedicated his entire life to doing the right thing. To me, and, and, and so, now, I hear that and I listen to someone like you say that, and I don't think, well, this guy's a fucking whack job and he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. And he's like, I like, I, I, you know, I respect you. And so, I would love to hear where you're coming from from that. And if, because what I've found is, is that everyone wants all of us, not you and me, but all of us to believe that we are fucking, you know, that we're, that we're at each other's throats, that there's this giant fucking divide. And you know what I found? I sit down and I talk to people that don't necessarily share my beliefs and I figure out, you know what? We all fucking want that, almost literally the fucking exact same thing. We want to know that our kids are safe. [David] [4:22] I, I, I'll tell you right now, Hunter, first of all, this is one of the best, like, I've had over 800, officially 800 episodes of this show. Unofficially, probably thousands. This is probably top 10. Uh, because you've been super transparent. Like, you haven't given me the political bullshit that I'm accustomed to. I, listen, I have politicians that come here all the time and it's always political bullshit. And, okay, whatever, I'll ask the questions and, and hopefully we can get something out of it. This has been a really open conversation and I appreciate it, whether it's about laptop, whether it's politics. I, I don't, I, I just have my own opinions. I don't listen to mainstream media. I don't listen to Fox. I don't listen to, you know, I don't listen. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [5:04] Dude, dude, wait, let me tell you something. Nobody does anymore. [David] [5:07] Whether that's your station or not, I'm just saying, I don't listen to, I don't listen to mainstream media because I think they have a script and their own narratives that they gotta push. I, I, I try to read and come to my own conclusions. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [5:18] I, 100% agree with you. [David] [5:20] I talk to people like you, you've, obviously, you, President's son. You might know a little bit more than the average person of how things work. So, it's interesting to listen to. That to me is just like sitting back. That's why I haven't said much, but I'm just listening. It's just very interesting. So, you know what? I think our country, at the end of the day, I hope that we start to heal because the, I don't know. I don't know what you see in the Democrat Party right now, but what I see is, I don't see the old Democrats anymore. I see this new age Democrat, Democrat socialist that are coming in and they hate capitalism and it seems like they hate America. I'm not talking about, there are Democrats in office right now that love America. I'm talking about we have these new age Democrats that, if you watch, it's just like they hate America. I love America. I, I'll vote for a Democrat if it makes sense. That's my position. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [6:15] Okay. Here's the thing that I, I, I don't disagree. Is this, is who's the fucking genius that decided to call what, um, uh, you know, the, the policy positions as socialism in, in a country that literally, I mean, like, like, I don't think of a word that could poll worse than, than that. Like, you know, like, it's like, Jesus Christ. Here's what I believe. I believe that if you take the, the, uh, look at our history, is that in particular, um, uh, in the last 125 years, there are two presidents, way, way more than this, but two presidents principally that, um, uh, that set the agenda as it related to the trajectory of the, of, of, of the growth of an actual middle class in, in, uh, and, and, uh, and a, um, and wealthy, not wealthy, people that were able to make a, a, a good living and in real money, um, and, and, uh, and attain and sustain the American dream. And one of them was Teddy Roosevelt. And what did Teddy Roosevelt do? As a Republican? Teddy Roosevelt took on, um, uh, his party. He, he took on the, the, the moneyed interest of his party. And in particular, he took on the trust of the Rockefeller Trust, who, by the way, was basically, um, you know, Elon Musk and, um, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, kind of all rolled into one, all right? And, um, and he broke up the trust and he created this thing called the Square Deal, in which he recognized that he had to take on his own interest and do things that would allow for a actual middle class, um, to, to, to, to thrive because of the threat of socialism, because people felt like they were being locked out of what was becoming an oligarchy, a, a plutocracy, um, a kleptocracy in, in the United States of America. All right? And then you go into the Depression, by no fault of Teddy Roosevelt's, and you have FDR that comes in. And what does he do? He starts the New Deal. And the New Deal allows for the America to believe in things like this, that if you are, uh, if, if, whether you're a senior or whether you're a child, is that by no fault of your own, is that it's the responsibility of a government to, to provide for you for your safety, security, and well-being. And that is the promise that we make to each other, and that we all pay taxes into a system in which we are, um, uh, that we could be secure in our homes, that we can be secure in our communities, and that we can, um, uh, and that we can access, um, uh, a, a level of wellness that does not send us into abject poverty and disease and, and death, right? We all believe that, and that's why you got social security, and that's why you got the five-day work week, and that's why you got fucking, you know, um, uh, minimum wage, and that's why you get all of these things that created a middle class, and they created an economy that's the strongest, the greatest thing in the world. And so, what did I grow up believing? I believe in this. I believe in the fucking promise of America. I don't give a shit what anybody says, is that this is the greatest country in the goddamn world. And it's the greatest country in the goddamn world not because I'm an arrogant American, it's because of the fact of the, it's people. And its people are created by this constant infusion in immigrants, that people that come in. You're, you're, I guarantee you, um, I don't know how many generations back for you, or how many generations back for me, or this generation. One-third out of every fucking new business is created, um, by a, uh, one out of every five or three is created by a first-generation immigrant. 30% of the Fortune, um, uh, 100, the top 100 companies in the, in, in this country are all run, CEOs are all first-generation immigrants. And so, we have this constant blood coming in. You have the, the promise of social security, of, of Medicaid, of Medicare, of healthcare, of, of, of access to good, safe schools and things like that. Does anybody feel that we have that anymore? Is that called socialism? Not socialism to me. Was it socialism when rent controlled allowed for an entire middle class in, in a community of particularly immigrants to, um, uh, to create this incredible thing called Manhattan? To create the five boroughs? In which you had rent control? In which you had people that were able to, to live and work that were coming out of the, of, of the GI Bill, go to school, get an education, build a business, have a family, have two cars in the garage if you lived over, you know, if you lived over in Newark, or if you lived over in Trenton, or wherever the fuck it is, and to build like, is that socialism? I don't believe it's socialism. I believe in fucking capitalism. Jesus Christ, I launched a fucking meme coin. That's how much I believe in capitalism. And so, my point is, is that I believe in it. And I believe in this country. But I believe in a fucking new, new deal, man. We have to have leaders that come up with a new, new deal. And don't tell me that's fucking coming from Chuck Schumer. Don't tell me that that's coming from, um, uh, you know, uh, Mike Johnson and, and, uh, you know, on the Republican side. Is that we need people that are willing to just speak truth to fucking power and talk about the things that people fucking give a shit about. Like, as I said, when somebody, if, if I ever became president, they said, what was the first thing you'd do? And they thought I was joking because it like harkens back to that guy that ran for mayor. They said, what would I do? I would do something about the rent. Because, I don't know, what is it? Like, 75% of people rent. And who's buying up all of the fucking houses for, for rentals? Is private equity firms. And what are they doing? Is that they're creating a artificial market in which they are, like, rent increases, the, the inflation in rent is making it almost impossible for people to live. And so, families literally have to make a, a decision at the end of every month. Do they stay in their home or do they put food on the table? Not even about whether you get your kids, send your kids to a private college. How do you afford that? And I'm not talking about people that don't make, that, that are, that are quote-unquote poor. You know, what it takes to be in the top 1% income earners in this country? $750,000. Now, do you know anybody that lives in, in, in New York City that thinks if you got $750,000, you got it made? Bullshit. You have to make over $320,000 to be able to afford to live in New York City and have childcare. Just childcare. Costs over 20% of your income. At $320,000. Who can a fucking afford that? Who possibly can afford that? So, when I, look, man, I don't know about what Suraj Mondoni from Adam in terms of all the other shit. Forget all the other shit. But when he says what he wants to do, is he wants to do something about rent, he wants to do something about the cost of public transportation, he wants to do something about making certain that the streets are safe, and that he wants to do something about the cost of fucking groceries. Like, I guess it really matters how you get there. But all this other stuff about that I'm a part of the Democratic Socialist fuck, go, what, what, what, I don't fucking give a shit. Just tell me what you're gonna do and then go do it. Because the Mayor of New York has about as much influence over what happens in fucking Gaza as I do. It's like, what the fuck? I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? And I don't give a shit if your name is Mondoni or if your name is Cohen, or if your name is Bloomberg, or if your name is fucking Adams. I don't give a shit. Show me the fucking results. Show me the results. And sometimes results don't come fast enough. Sometimes the, the, but show me what you're gonna do about it. I don't know, man. I sit back and I think, all of this talk, all of these people and they, they, they always seem to walk away with the wrong message. Or the, the wrong lesson from each fucking, um, uh, uh, from each election. And that is that it, oh, it's, it, it, it was, uh, it's because the other side was so good or the other side was so bad. The, the, the lesson I have learned from every election since, um, uh, 1988, let's say, is this, is that money in politics is everything. Is everything. And it's not like, and by the way, and I'm not saying it's because all about Republicans and because they have all the big packs and they do all the corporate interest. Bullshit, man. In every fucking election, the money has literally grown and the, and, and the influence of a handful of people. You know there are only 984 fucking families that are legitimately billionaires in this country? How much say do you have, that do you think they have in the, in the future of everything that we are facing right now? They have everything. 984 families literally speak louder than 349.99 million people. [David] [1:28:28] Yeah. It is. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:29:49] It's wrong, man. It's wrong. [David] [1:31:30] But, you know what? How do we, you know, from one standpoint, I, I understand, Hunter. First of all, I gotta tell you, I don't know, you should be running for office. But, uh, also, at some, if we live in a, if we love capitalism, what's, what's the incentive for somebody like Elon Musk? Every single time I hear a conversation about Elon, it's like, let's, Elon's a trillionaire on paper, Hunter. It's, he's on paper. He doesn't have a trillion dollars. It's paper. When I hear, oh, let's tax Elon 95%. Well, then what is the incentive? Here's a guy who made Starlink, he made Neuralink, he, Boring Company, uh, you know, SpaceX, Tesla. Things that have actually worked out to benefit, benefit Americans and outside of America. What incentive does he have though when every single time, oh, we're gonna slap him with another tax and let's give another billionaire a tax. What's the incentive for people to become entrepreneurs? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:49:28] Okay. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:50:29] Okay, here, here, here's what I have to say to that. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [1:52:47] Is you should read a book called The Second Estate, okay? It's really fascinating. And it's truly, truly fascinating. And it is not by some lefty, like, you know, uh, bullshit. And what it makes a point is this, is that the tax system is completely fucking broken, man. And it benefits no one, okay? Except a very, very, very, very small percentage. And one of the ways that we know this is that who has a fucking tax system in which it what? It's, it's, uh, you know, 17,000 pages long? Like, what, like, it's insane. And so, it drives people in business crazy. It drives people that are quote-unquote rich crazy. You know why? Because none of this is about income tax. And the vast majority of the, of, of, of our, um, uh, treasury is, um, uh, is benefited by income tax, okay? Rich people pay income tax. Wealthy people pay no taxes. And not because they're cheating on their taxes. So, when we talk about like raising taxes or lowering taxes on, uh, as it relates to income tax, there's not a billionaire that pays an income tax. You know how much, uh, Elon Musk pays himself as salary? [David] [1:59:49] A dollar or two? [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:00:50] Zero. A dollar, I think, because the state of California sued him because you can't have an un, uh, you can't have an unpaid employee as a part of a company. And same with, um, uh, Zuckerberg, same with all, like, there's, again, there's only a handful of them. There's 984 families, all right? There's not, they're not paying taxes on income. So, why do we focus on that? What we have to focus, and by the way, so what do you do? It's a really, really complicated issue. Is if you tax wealth, are you disincentivizing incredibly innovative people from creating these companies that create an enormous amount of wealth? So, what do we do? Well, we have to have an honest discussion about it. But if you sit there and you, and, and, and you shout across the void between Democrats and Republicans about whether or not socialism or, you know what? We're gonna tax billionaires 95% because that's what happened. I saw it on my, you know, I saw it on TikTok, TikTok in 1932, you know what I mean? Which is all bullshit. None of that ever fucking existed. It's literally people living in the fucking fantasy worlds about how, like, I am saying this, is that the system is broken. And so, you have to have someone that is going to come in and not break the system on behalf of 984 people, their families, but break it on behalf of 300 and, uh, you know, 49.99 million of us. And that is, and, and, and I don't have the fucking all the answers to that. But you know how they, how we get the answers? Is that people like you and me have a fucking discussion about it. Because people perceive me probably as being like, oh, I'm one of those fucking lefty fucking, you know, no, man. I just want fucking, I want the same thing everybody else does. Like, I really do. I mean, I really do. I get scared sometimes for, I, my, my six-year-old, uh, son, who's named after my brother, Beau. And I, and I get scared about, you know, like, sending him to school in a, in a world in which there is this much gun violence. And I, and I, and I, obviously, I own a fucking gun, and I shoot guns, and I shoot, I shotguns, and I go hunting. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have a problem with that. But I get, I get really scared about that. Why can't we have a fucking honest discussion as a, as a country about that? Like, there's gotta be ways. You know why we don't get to an honest discussion? Is because there's a gun lobby. And the gun lobby pays hundreds of millions of dollars to make certain that you don't get to a right answer. And then you, you, like, and I'm not just saying it's just about the gun lobby. But, I mean, like, all of these things that we have 75%, 85% of us agree upon. And it seems like we can never get to an answer. And the reason I say that we can't get to an answer is because people that do not have our interest in mind are paying for political campaigns, are paying for political parties, are paying for, um, uh, uh, their agenda over ours. And there is never going to be an agenda that is run by a corporate oligarchy that has a fiduciary duty to, um, uh, to simply do one thing, create more profit for its shareholders and them individually. And that's not right or wrong, man. That's how the system works unless you regulate it. And it's like exactly like cryptocurrency. Is that, man, the technology in and of itself, the idea is so powerful, is so can do so much good. But if we let it run unchecked, it is going to do, it is, it, it, it can only be harmful at the end of the day. At the trajectory of the spectrum of its growth. Same with AI. It's same with all of these technologies. Same with the phone that we have in our hands. Is that at some point, the people that put out this information have to be held responsible for it. And when they provide algorithms that cause our teenage daughters to actually commit suicide and kill and, and, and commit self-harm, that they know that they're doing it, that they should be held responsible for that content. But they aren't because of money. And so, that's not me like pick up the pitchforks and go after the billionaires. It's me saying, like, man, I have the same interest as somebody that makes $5 million that fucking lives in the Malibu, um, hills that literally, you know, is as making $250,000 selling my fucking paintings. We both want to send our kids to the same school. Want them to be safe when he goes to that school. You know, we want to be able to come home and, you know, not be bankrupted by a cancer diagnosis in our family, right? Or have to worry about whether or not, you know, my son, uh, you know, or, or, or my kid playing football, you know, breaks his leg and, you know, whether or not we're gonna be able to, uh, get afford the emergency room visit. [David] [2:44:29] Yeah, that, these are, um, listen, these are real topics. One day, like I said, we'll, we'll have a united front where Democrats and Republicans and Independents, Green Party, whatever party can sit down and actually have a, uh, you know, a conversation. Um, because right now it is toxic. You know, both sides, there, you're either a Democrat or you're a Republican. That's it. There's, there's no middle ground for a lot of people. So, that, it's tough. It's tough when, it's tough when you can't have these conversations even though you, you have different takes on, on the world. Uh, I, I, I just want to say this, uh, I want to thank you. Obviously, I know, I took, they told me 30, I took more than that and I do apologize for taking up your time. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:46:27] I know, what time is it, man? You got me in so much trouble. [David] [2:46:28] For me, it's 4:08. So, I'm, I'm, on my side, it's 4:08. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:46:32] Oh, Jesus Christ. [David] [2:46:33] I want to say thank you. That's number one. Thank you for, and I appreciate the, the time, uh, that you spent here. Uh, definitely appreciate it. I, I hope that laptop does work out. I didn't want you to do it because you were on there with Gavin Newsom. You're talking about, oh, I'm gonna run for, I'm gonna be his VP. Yeah, yeah, you're on top of the world making this comeback and then you're like, the token. That was my biggest beef. But it is. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:46:57] Hey, man. Hey, man. I'm still, I'm still on top of the world. [David] [2:47:00] No, no, I'm not saying you're not. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:47:02] No, no, I mean, I mean it this way, is that for real, is that every day that I'm, I'm, I, I, I get to, um, uh, have conversations like this, and I really mean it, and talk to people, but particularly leave every conversation with this. For everybody that's still out there sick and suffering, that still is caught in their addiction, that's still caught in the, in the web of lies and shame that they believe that they, that, that, that their, uh, uh, that their trauma, their addiction, their grief has led them to, is that I promise you, you're not alone. And, and, and there is another side. And if you ever need help, just reach for it and ask for it. And if I get to do that every day and maybe reach one person, like, what a fucking great life that is, man. And so, um, you gotta promise me one thing, uh, uh, lunch, dinner, when I'm in New York. [David] [2:49:51] For sure. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:49:53] Okay. [David] [2:49:54] One-on-one broadcast in real life. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:49:58] Yeah, that's right. Exactly. [David] [2:50:00] Thank you so much. I appreciate you coming out to the show. Good luck with, uh, laptop and hopefully it does make a comeback. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:50:06] Thank you so much. Thank you. [David] [2:50:08] Thank you. [Guest: Hunter Biden] [2:50:08] Thank you. [David] [2:50:10] That is Hunter Biden, everybody. Uh, what a convo, man. What a convo with Hunter Biden, man. I'm gonna give him a round of applause. Wow. [David] [2:53:23] Listen, I, I'm a, I'm an American first. That, that's what I'll say. If anybody wants to ask me, I'm an American first. You see the American flag and I, I love America. I bleed red, white, and blue. Love America. And yes, I'm a Republican, but I'm an American first. I have people sending me messages asking me, yo, why don't you go harder on, on, on Hunter? Then what is the point of the convo? You want me to have a five-minute conversation and be done with? No, I, I bring on people onto the show so we can have a conversation. These, these are conversations. These aren't interviews. I'm, I'm having a conversation with somebody.

[Part 11 of 11] [David] [00:00] I'm trying to understand why they think a certain way. I'm on I'm trying to understand what what is going on through their minds. [David] [00:16] Again, I have my views, but I'm sitting here today and I and I'm listening. Two ears, one mouth. I always say this, in crypto and anything in life, two ears, one mouth, listen up. Just listen for a second. We're it's both sides. And I've always said this to my Democratic friends, I mean my Republican friends, my maga friends. Yo, like, why don't we go on to listen? [David] [00:40] Cuz we're just waiting to respond. Like every single time we're just waiting to respond and tell everybody we're right. [David] [00:47] I don't regret voting for Trump. Like I again, I view Trump differently. I I happen to like Trump and his ego. It's his it's his ego that I voted for because I know that he wants to be the greatest president of all time. And if he's going to be the president the greatest president of all time, then he's going to do things that benefit Americans. So that that that's why. [David] [01:12] And it's nice. Me and Hunter here, we have two, you know, we have we have we don't have the same views. But we agreed more than we disagreed today. And we're going to go out to lunch or dinner. I'll pay for it. I just want to sit there and literally listen to Hunter talk about some issues. And issues that we have and like issues that he's gone through. To me, I find that interesting. [David] [01:43] I hope everybody enjoyed the segment. I think it's I said top 10. I've had a lot of guests on. I think top 10, top 20. Top 10, top 20 conversation that I've ever had here. [David] [02:03] I think I think, you know what happened in this conversation? As I'm sitting here talking with Hunter Biden, I don't think I expected some of the things he was saying for him to say it. And that cuz you're always you know, I bring on people that are Democrats, Republicans, it's always it's always one-sided and let's not even talk about and then like there are topics that are mentioned today. It's just like, okay, let me shut the fuck up and listen for a second. I have my own opinion on on things, but let let me listen. [David] [02:49] I got to think about it. Top I'm thinking top 20, top 10, definitely top 10. I'm I'm going maybe even the top 15, top top 10, 15. [David] [03:02] I don't care what anybody says. [David] [03:10] There's a reason why every single notable name that comes on to my show, it's not an interview, it's a conversation and they're blown away because they didn't expect to go ahead and have a conversation. They thought they were about to get beat up or have these questions delivered to them to make them feel uneasy. No, no, no, no, I want to talk. [David] [03:33] I want to ask questions that the people I want to ask the same questions that the people have on their minds. Whether they're Democrats or Republicans or whether we're talking crypto or AI, whatever it is. I don't care what anybody says. I'm one of the greats when it comes to hosting. [David] [03:52] I had a I had a I had to start my own media company in order to get a mic and a camera. [David] [04:00] And bring on my own audience or or or obviously work hard enough to create an audience that wants to share opinions and have a conversation. [David] [04:16] I appreciate you guys showing up. We'll be right back after this commercial break, sponsored by Midnight, Polymarket, Cake Wallet and FOMO. [David] [04:27] We've issued eight billion. [Other Speaker] [04:30] What first got you excited about blockchains? Think about it. Oh wait. I bet it wasn't multi-million dollar hacks, exposed data, or finding somewhere safe to store your seed phrase. Was it? 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[Other Speaker] [08:44] Yes. [Other Speaker] [08:45] That news. [Other Speaker] [08:50] There we go. United States of America representing. [Other Speaker] [08:52] Socialism does not work. [Other Speaker] [08:55] Digital assets. Is it better to move money at the speed of light? [Other Speaker] [08:59] People are greedy when they also try to acquire gold. [Other Speaker] [09:02] I'm here providing electricity and that energy that is necessary. [Other Speaker] [09:07] I'm the modern day Tony Stark. [David] [09:14] Welcome back to the show. I want to thank everybody for tuning in. [David] [09:20] For tuning into the breakdown episode 801. That's right, 801 episodes. And starting off in the 800s for the first episode. We have we had Hunter Biden, so uh, nice of him to come on. We'll be meeting in real life to go ahead and have, you know, a conversation. That's really cool. So thank you, Hunter. I appreciate that. Also, I want to appreciate and give a shout out to David Pollack. Um, you can go ahead and look at my links and tune into his show. It's at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time where he breaks down obviously politics and political issues. Um, shout out to Landy Landy was on today. We were talking to markets. I talked about markets and I want to thank everybody. If you're new here also, if you're just joining in, if it's your first time watching me, because you uh, we're trying to go ahead and listen to Hunter Biden speak about, you know, obviously the laptop situation and along with other political issues and life issues. Uh, welcome. Uh, hope you stay, you know, hope this isn't your first time. Hope you stay a long time. Uh, you can hit your notifications, subscribe. Uh, shout out to TikTok, shout out to YouTube, shout out to X, formerly known as Twitter, and all the other social media platforms that we stream on. Uh, we're I I tried to get Facebook on today. It was impossible. I don't know what. Shout out to LinkedIn also, LinkedIn. Uh, I I did try to get Facebook. I don't know what's happening, man. I'm trying. Hopefully it's on next week. I I literally thought I was on today, but it didn't work out. So, um, on that note, let me read the quote of the day and then leave you guys and hope that you have a wonderful wonderful weekend and a prosperous one. Um, let's go with, man, Hunter really fucking It was the Hunter Biden show at the the breakdown with Hunter Biden. That's what it was. Uh, here's the quote. No man is perfect, but a man who rises again has denied hardship its final victory. So I'll say that again. The quote of the day is, no man is perfect, but a man who rises again has denied hardship its final victory. Marcus Aurelius. That's who that quote comes from. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, thank you, thank you for joining uh the conversation today. Uh, shout out to the sponsors, Midnight, Polymarket, Cake Wallet, FOMO. We'll be back next week. I don't know, I might do a pop-up this weekend. I'll let you guys know, but uh, shout out to everybody who uh, obviously does participate and who's a part of this audience. Uh, more great shit to come. So, thank you, thank you, thank you. And as a Kill Patterson would say, have a great day and an even better tomorrow.